The state of things to come
Posted: March 15th, 2010 | Author: JEvers | Filed under: Uncategorized | 240 Comments »I’m Joseph Evers. Very few of you know or care about me. I’m the largest shareholder of ED, and I guess that makes me the “owner”. I’m generally pretty absent in the management of this website. I’d apologize for that but it doesn’t make a lot of money. What we do at Encyclopedia Dramatica is a labor of love, and we all put in what we can. Largely, the great team of volunteers really makes things work for this website, and your donations and page views have been (barely) making ends meet lately. No matter what the current administration and news will tell you, we are in a worsening depression. The last depositors of my fund left 2 years ago despite year after year profitability with no losses and they haven’t come back. Most everyone I know is broke and unemployed. Things are hard, and if Encyclopedia Dramatica were still relying on my pocketbook it would have died when that particular well dried up. So thank you all for contributing to this community. This is truly the most free collaborative publishing platform on the Internet and it would not exist without your love and support.
This weekend I returned from a very much needed vacation in Mexico. I saw Tulum, Coba, Chichen Itza, and Uxmal. If you’re ever in the Yucatan you should eat a few grams of highly potent mushrooms (there are street vendors if you know how to pay attention) and walk amongst the ruins of Chichen Itza. You will not regret it. I arrive Saturday night at LAX on Mexicana Air and get off the plane. When I turn on my Blackberry there are two notable things. The first is a great interview with Australia’s Channel 9 that Anonadmin did. It is a fantastic piece and I really recommend you read it. I normally discourage our users and moderators from talking to the press, but I’m glad he did. This really addresses a lot of points which are going to be of note in the rest of this post.
The second bit was a rather curious bit of correspondence from Australia’s Human Rights Commission.
For those unaware, Encyclopedia Dramatica has been in a lot of trouble in Australia lately. First ED was placed on the ACMA blacklist, a “secret” list of websites to be censored throughout Australia in their upcoming internet filter. After this list was leaked to the public, we all laughed about how we were put on a blacklist with “Wikipedia entries, euthanasia sites, websites of fringe religions, Christian sites, and even the websites of a tour operator and a Queensland dentist“. Meanwhile, Australia Communications Minister Stephen Conroy called for the arrests of Australians publishing the list.
Next the “Aboriginal” article was recently removed from Google Australia’s search engine results. This was right after Google had done a large amount of grandstanding about fighting Chinese censorship. Which proves they’re a bunch of spineless hypocrites. Really, you have to admire the shrewdness of Google. China was a gigantic business failure, and a loss leader. With a bunch of CIA and shareholder money Google went in promising that their search technology was really so much better (FYI: from a perspective of pure technical achievement, Yahoo’s is best in the business right now, though they do poison their search results with paid entries) that the Chinese market would fall in a fortnight. Years and what is likely billions later, Baidu completely dominates the Chinese search market. By spinning an obvious business failure as a failure of RED POLITICS Google was able to pull out of China without losing face. Their idiot shareholders sat there and applauded them for wasting billions of their money. For that I give Google a lot of respect. They are some of the most brilliant marketers around, but as anyone who has used Google’s ad placement can attest, the only thing they really excel at selling is themselves.
As for the correspondence from the Australian HRC, well, I’ll just show the first page of the PDF verbatim (click through for high res):
So here’s the deal. This is an initial investigation into charging me, personally, with the violation of Australia’s Racial Discrimination Act. While I act in complete compliance with both the civil and criminal codes of the United States of America, and am assured the right of free speech according to our Constitution (which, if not the greatest political document in the entire history of law, is certainly on the top five) I can personally be jailed and fined for the violation of this law. Check out the court precedent they cite, Dow Jones & Co Inc v Gutnick, where a United States paper had to pay 580k for publishing an article about a globalized company headquartered in Australia and its CEO whilst completely in compliance with United States civil precedence. This isn’t a far-fetched legal theory, they have used it before. Welcome to the one world government, folks. Is this what you wanted? Is this what you had in mind? Cause this is what you’re gettin’.
Encyclopedia Dramatica will never be censored in any way. We will keep publishing this content and our Australian users will be able to view it up until the point that your God-forsaken government blocks it with their soon-to-be-implemented secret list of banned material. ACMA’s child pornography blacklist is only one half child pornography. The rest is religious and political speech. You really want Soviet-style communism as your future? I know some people that had to escape from the GDR. Many of your children will be in that position. The house of cards is about to come down, and they’re making sure your mouths are taped shut first. Don’t say I didn’t warn you.
My counsel has advised me that I can never under any circumstances visit my family in Sydney again, nor otherwise make any appearances on Australian soil. Here’s to the hidden cost of freedom.
I feel safe knowing that Jevers will take care of things.
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Even if they can obtain a judgment against you in Australia, I wouldn’t think it would be enforceable in America. See the whole French Yahoo Nazi thing.
Nonetheless, frivolous torts are one of the foremost threats to a free open lulzy internet. If there were a cause specifically devoted to combating them then I’d donate to it. As of now I just donate to ED.
I can’t wait until I am served an arrest warrant for sysoping ED.
I know it’s not a lot but I sent 50 dollars a few minutes ago. Try to see if I can’t maintain that lvl from now on. ………this is pushing me into RAGEEEE territory. Which is sad, because I finally got my head on straight after 8 years, because of you guys.
I can’t donate for various reasons, but I will say this: good luck, and don’t let our pussy-ass government hinder the spirit of ED. Free, uncensored internet forevermore!
Please advise Jevers, media coverage of this issue appreciated or not?
asap. thanks.
On behalf of my country, I apologise. Indeed it seems here’s proof of the fact that those who work in govt departments in this country are truly a bunch of dimwitted dipshits with nary a braincell between them.
Apart from the sickening fact that Freedom of Speech has been anniliated from this country under the guise of race hate laws, the fact is that Aboriginal Australia has a LOT to answer for…oh wait, I’m about to get arrested so I retract that statement.
Only allowed to say negative things are caucasians here, don’t let the facts get in the way. That’s been determined in Court, Kalgoorlie Western Australia, the Court dismissed a claim from a white Australian girl after she had abuse hurled at her (the usual, “white c**t” etc that we get all the time) which concluded that racism does not, according to this judge, go both ways. Only one way.
SIGH.
Anyway, keep fighting ED.
Remove the post and apologise, its not hard.
The notion that your right to Freedom of Speech could be more important than the degradation of a race of people is a reflection of low values.
As the ‘owner’, you are also responsible for the content. You are technically correct on the description of bullying – there isn’t a repeated offence but it is abuse – Racial abuse, not satire.
As for Rachella above, there’s no need to apologise, just move if you dont like it.
When you have a 6 year student old tell you to f$#k off, embrace that freedom of speech rubbish to the hill but as a teacher and a home owner, it’ll be a cold day in hell when i allow any of my kids to say what they like when they like without consideration for others.
J Evers, your own government has arrested people in foreign countries for decades at will, legally and illegally. The US does not own the internet and sadly, without some sort of restraint, we end up with sites like yours that need to be censored.
You are welcome to visit the aboriginal communities and share your thoughts one on one – old school, but then we dont allow guns over here to protect ourselves either!
I am of Aboriginal blood and i get this site is for the lawl. But are Gov are stupid idiots.
I have read the Aboriginal entry and laugh my ass off. But it been a proven fact i can do what i want and say to aboriginal in school when i threw rock at the flag and only got dentition while the other got to 3 week suspension. As the other users say the racism only goes one way in our country.
FYI: from a perspective of pure technical achievement, Yahoo’s is best in the business right now,
:: lol ::
Oh fucking blow yourself? care to post source code to back this up also hardware spec for each company and budget, make up more shit and blog it.
Sherrod Degrippo owns ED its LLC there are no shares in this, FYI lol stupid people eat this shit up eh.
Have fun being social engineered
@ rachella
r u a f**kin moron?
Do u actually know what a Caucasian is? OBVIOUSLY NOT – coz it means WHITE GIRL. what a total retard u are……….
And please do not apologise for me about my country……….. I agree the censoring of the internet is crap. but I think ED should pull down the article on Trinity Bates…….. you guys are such C**TS for having that up
G’day cobbers,
White Aussie male and proud of it. I work with Aboriginal people and I’m proud to do so.
There are others who are of Aboriginal blood who are thugs and criminals. Who bash, home invasion, assualt our elderly, and rape. If we whites dare to say they should be treated equal to white criminals then thats discrimination……go figure.
A thing called REVERSE APPARTITE is alive and well in Australia. Oh by the way world wide whites are the minority………..the future is looking bleak.
Australia stinks and they are communists. One day I would like to write a book about how messed up this place is and how dumb people are!
Australia would be a lot better off if it had subjective thinking but they don’t they’re all brain washed idiots.
Everything costs to much because and they don’t care, the food sucks and you get the worst service and people are just mean. Oh and most of them are bastards and proud of it!
Don’t let them take away your freedom of speech that is worth fighting for!!!
“buc11t”
I knew it wouldn’t be too long before some crazy parent would show up.
“As the ‘owner’, you are also responsible for the content.”
It’s a Wiki, perhaps you’ve not heard of Wikipedia?
“When you have a 6 year student old tell you to f$#k off, embrace that freedom of speech rubbish to the hill but as a teacher and a home owner, it’ll be a cold day in hell when i allow any of my kids to say what they like when they like without consideration for others.”
Blame the parents for not doing a good job at raising their kid, not a site that they’ve probably never heard of before.
“The US does not own the internet and sadly, without some sort of restraint, we end up with sites like yours that need to be censored.”
Ugh, you’re missing the point of the internet, aren’t you? It isn’t supposed to be censored.
I’m Australian and I didnt vote for our nazi government and they shouldnt be censoring anything because it will just grow until they censor EVERYTHING, bastards. But still, if you’re going to be racist or offend then you deserve what you get.
11not_telling said at 12:51 am on March 16th, 2010:
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CENSORSHIP MUCH
hypocrites
@buc11t As you are stating that the us don’t own the internet but this company and website are located in the us and run out of it. It is your choice to view the site no one else.
Have you looked at teacher they are allowed to say and do what they want and kid are not allowed too. As seen by a kid being banned from her school by refusing to wear a dress.
This world is one big crazy world and you clearly would like the our gov to be like china and control what we can and can’t look at the Australia minster in charge of filtering is already filtering his website about anything relating to the filtering cause it a bad topic for him.
So if you clearly don’t want right and freedom go to china and live there your.
As i’v said above i am abo and my grandmother was one of the lost gen. This site is for the lawl pretty much but your stupid to get that. Have you seen anyone but a few of every race who do not get this site complaining about it otherwise no you have not cause they get the idea of this site.
Anyone who has a post on this site is shown in a bad light with bad comment it the way the site works.
The reason we have six year old kids telling adults to f#@& of is becuase of mindless do gooders and Gov. legislation telling parents they are not allowed to parent there kids…………nothing to with freedom of speech.
Tell the Government to but out of child raising and the world would be a better place.
And yet you moderate (CENSOR) what comments people are allowed to leave in response to this blog. Hmmm.
My guess? This is less about censorship and more about AU Govt and Press being pissed that half of your nation went out of your minds at us over this: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/33220540/
Talk about someone not ‘getting the joke’.
Mitchelll7 – U are one messed up and confused blackfulla – I agree with ya buc11t
It is pretty scary to think that soon all of us aussies may not have a choice as to what we view as determined by our government. People used to come to this country for the carefree lifestyle and the freedom. Now we are being told what we can say and do. No longer can we speak our minds in fear of offending some race, group, religion or crackpot. I find it unbelievable that they want to sue ED for a racist article, wasting my taxpaying dollars, yet they allow kiddy porn, beastiality and god knows what other TRULY offensive things to go unpunished. And from what I have read from the majority of my fellow aussies (aboriginal included) they do not find this article offensive. But for those who do why not do the same thing you would do if you accidently came across a picture you dont like on the net – click the little red x at the top right of the screen and bam – no more offensive material for your sensitive little minds.
There is always going to be things you dont like in this world, things you will choose to ignore. Let us aussies not allow our government to choose what those things are. Last time I checked I lived in a FREE country.
your site is up the shit, you dont know what the f@#& you are writing about and i am not surprised they wont let you back into the country(FOR YOUR OWN GOOD DICKHEAD)… and yes i’m a white Australian. Pull your head in and start writing about the struggle of American Indians against white INVASION…
@ Australia – YOU NOT HAVE JURISDICTION!!1!
@ buc11t – R U MAD?
@ Jevers – been mulling buying ads on ED via Clickbangpop for a while. I will make contact soon
Boo hoo the big bad government is taking my internets.
I live in China and you know what? I can access your site! Why dont all the whiny petite bourgeois out there stop complaining about countries they know nothing about and try to fix their own country?
The argument for free speech is childish. I wanna do what I want and nobody boss me around! This denies the fact that living in a society requires submission to societies rules and standards in order for a society to function.
There are things that have been deemed by society to be wrong. If you cant handle that then you follow the appropriate channels to change the policy or you GTFO!
I did not accept the rules of my home country so I left to a country where I feel much more free.
Many of the articles here provide an important insight into internet culture and records that culture’s development. Others are pathetic failures at “satire”, being nothing more than racism/sexism, etc dressed in satire’s clothing.
tl:dr: China rules, free speech is bull, ED has many great articles but also lots of crap
Still tons better than Wikipedia
Firstly, Mitchelll7, I really think your not an aboriginal at all. You are just misspelling and using improper English to put us off. You can tell by the fact you said Lost Gen. It is Stolen Generation.
Secondly, maybe Mr. J. Evers you didn’t mean to upset people therefor you thought it was satire, but as soon as someone does get offended it becomes racism. I think you should apologize for the page. Even if you don’t remove it, at least acknowledge the fact it has upset them and look at it from their point of view.
Thirdly, if you think the Australian government is messed up for censoring your below average website from the internet or for even sending this letter to you, you should really have a look at your own government before criticizing others. Talking about freedom of speech. Do you guys remember anything about Guantanamo Bay. Now that was messed up. If there was a list for bad governments, I think America will be in the top 5. I mean the list of bad things goes on with your government for as far as the eye can see and some.
Fourthly, this is a really below average (crap) website anyway. I only signed up so I could comment. I seriously do not know what all the fuss is about.
Fifthly, I agree with buc11t. There is a limit of freedom of speech. How can you teach kids manners when there is this crap in the headlines of the news about so called freedom of speech. The majority of the youth of today is getting worse and worse. I don’t think they need anymore freedom of speech.
In conclusion, I really think the easiest thing is to say sorry and move on. Then your below average website will move out of the headlines, it will be unpopular again (and you will be back to barely making ends meet) and everyone can move on with their lives.
Mitchelll7 are you serious!!!
For one its the ‘Stolen Generation’ obviously you dont have much to do with your history or culture to have not known that! Plus if your letting yourself get away with stupid things like throwing a rock at a flag then your just as bad as the person going easy on you, take responsibility! dont take the easy way out coz of your race! i’m Aboriginal proud of it and have never used it as an excuse to get out of stupid shit like you!
This site is disgusting! it’s racism not comedy.
You may have only got a detention at school but i’ll tell you now thousands of Aboriginal Australian’s haven’t done it easy and aren’t doing it easy! just ask your grandma! i’m sure she’s had to deal with a lot as many stolen generation people have… respect your family, heritage and culture dont use it as an excuse! OR DONT claim to be Aboriginal, sick of fighting idiots like you making the systems worst for us geniune Koori’s trying to make a positve difference!
Yes, Australian laws are very strict about racism. 70% of the people I live with have come from another country for University alone. Not everyone gets along with each other, but there’s no reason to make someone feel upset by ridiculing their culture or their identity!
I don’t think Australian laws advocate freedom of speech. It’s a different country and so the culture is different. The ideal is that one is free to speak freely to the extent where they aren’t hurting anyone; thus, destroying their rights to the freedom of silence and peaceful life?
In senior high school students learn that if anyone says something that offends someone else in public (in a way based on that law), that they can be fined and worse. The strict laws are aimed at trying to create a place where people have the freedom to feel safe. I’m not saying that the system works with the ideal…but, that’s kind of how the law is supposed to operate…and from that angle it sounds okay-ish
The Cronulla riots don’t exactly work in favour of it… ^~^`
Apparently, of the thousands of people who participated in the Cronulla riots, there were so many arrests and fines, but the knowledge that there would be punishment didn’t stop it from happening in the first place. At the moment, perhaps you have heard of Indian people that have been murdered recently, particularly a small child?
Of course, anything that would spur conflict isn’t going to be taken lightly at the moment, on top of something that was already very strict.
Some very horrible things happened to Aboriginal people historically. There were genocides in Tasmania, so many languages and people were killed. People were used as Science Projects, displayed in museums, there was rape, children were forcibly taken away from their parents and other horrible things. Apparently, only a few decades ago students were learning about how people from other countries were “inferior” to Aboriginal people in history class in high school. At least, that’s what I’ve been told from adults of that time error in a particular location within Australia. Aboriginal people were banned from entering certain places. The change in attitude is basically over only one, maybe two, generations. It’s still a very recent and sensitive topic!
Of course, I’m worried that the Censorship in Australia will have a heavy impact on freedom of choice, however. So much of the media is already censored…but, most Australian’s will just go with whatever and don’t even realise that they’re being censored!
As long as something big, like Facebook doesn’t get banned then I can’t see there being a big protest. If you want to make a protest on a social level, it’s best deleting the page or whatever you can do that will prevent a big fine (if possible), come here and be interviewed on some of the big TV networks that will try and support your views. Your ideas will be censored if you don’t and already kind of has been. My view of your article has already been formed by a very one sided view on Nine MSN.
If you’ve thought through what you are going to say and can present your views in a way that’s sensitive to what I’ve mentioned above then it will be a persuasive argument. I think focussing on the idea of the impact of laws on the internet is a big thing that will be of interest. You could argue that: how could you know you were breaking the laws of another country?
Maybe you could gain support and challenge it in court so that you can put the site back up without legal problems?
Hyperion – not a parent..
I use Wiki’s with my senior classes and I moderate them, hence the name moderate.
Blame someone else, is that your answer – I left the gun on the seat but i never pulled the trigger so its not my fault. If its not supposed to be sensored, why are there moderators?
The internet is not supposed to be sensored, just like society doesn’t need police, eveyone knows how to behave. Some people choose not to behave, and here we have the police standing there laughing and standing by the criminals.
Mitchell, difficult to follow what you are saying, random comments linking Australia to China, throwing in the Grandmother for some street cred and throwing down an insult to me being stupid whilst unable to complete sentences. School clearly doesn’t work for everyone. Dont make yourself out to be a spokesman mate, aboriginal friends of mine who grew up in Wellington NSW didnt get thrown out of school, got educations and earn more than myself practicing law.
I am a white Aussie.
Your assertion that Aboriginals are “typically called coons, boongs, abos or black cunts by every Australian.” shows you know little about this country apart from your own bigotry.
If “freedom of speech” gives you the right to defame an entire race of people without redress by said people, then I think you are sadly mistaken.
Not “welcome to the world gov” mate, how about welcome to the bloody world. We’re tired of you dumb Americans thinking you own it.
It’s painfully obvious that their hypocritical and overplayed “free speech” excuse is just a cop-out answer to cause harm and grief to other people. The part where they tell you they aren’t responsible for the content of their own website is also a joke.
Try defacing a page and watch it get reverted. Ironically, they don’t tolerate people griefing their own website. Yet it still falls within the realm of freedom of speech, does it not? You’ll only get the freedom to write what they agree with, don’t be fooled.
They try to play themselves out as some sort of vigilantes of the internet in front of the media, proudly putting forward articles about Joseph Fritz and the like when there’s a whole bunch of plain old, mindless verbal abuse behind the scenes.
I’m still confident that it’s only a matter of time before something bad happens to ED. The more people you piss off, the worse it’s going to get. Kimmo is already being physically endangered as we speak because of his website. Won’t be long before ED gets it’s share of the fun.
Besides, if your website does end up being censored and/or you go bankrupt, it’ll still be LULZ material right? Sure will be for me.
Perhaps you can block Australian IP’s. It would suck for Australian ED users, but they can use free proxys to access the site.
“Blame someone else, is that your answer – I left the gun on the seat but i never pulled the trigger so its not my fault. If its not supposed to be sensored, why are there moderators?”
Don’t try to twist my words. Your fault for leaving the gun out there in the first place; use your common sense. Moderators are there to keep the site at a good quality, not just have some idiot screw it up by adding blah-blah nonsense.
“Some people choose not to behave, and here we have the police standing there laughing and standing by the criminals.”
Do NOT confuse what we do on the internet with our personalities in the workplace and public. They are two separate things.
@Mitchelll7
Your a moron…I’m of Aboriginal descent and even I think your an IDIOT!!!
“As i’v said above i am abo and my grandmother was one of the lost gen.” I don’t know where your grandmother went but that has no relevance! Maybe you were listening when they discussed the STOLEN GENERATION at school, not LOST big difference. Maybe next time do you think you could string a few coherent sentences together?
Rachella: Where I live the race card gets played on more then one side, it’s no longer a white or black issue in this country. If you can apologise on behalf of OUR country then I can retract that, can’t I?
I can see why people would take this article as offensive, but if you can’t understand when something is a load of S^*T, then you definately shouldn’t be looking on this site.
I’m sorry everyone but, once again Mitchell: YOUR A MORON!
Being an Australian whom has lived within an aboriginal community I would like to say that this complaint looks like nothing more than a chance at money. Our aboriginals of this land for the most part (not all but most) look for an easy ride and when something puts the light on who they are and how they live they will do anything to threaten to protect that internal freedom they have here. We all live in the same country, are educated in the same schools and yet our government is still making up for things thats happened 100 years ago. The internet restrictions that I feel will soon be put into place here scare me. Why is it that in a country with so many freedoms the few still make decisions for the many.
If only more people had an idea of how our government want to “PROTECT US” by making our choices for us.
Keed it up ED.
This is complete and utter bullshit of the highest degree. Whether or not it is legal is beside the point, it is morally wrong. Iny my opinion at least.
Then again, I’m a user of ED, what right to I have to talk about morals?
Also should there be a letters sent out and the like for this, or are you just trying to forget about it?
Im scared, all this talk of internet censorship is really getting out of hand. I mean they are getting serious about this stuff, obama and congress lobbying for the internet off switch and australias secret blacklist, not to mention China. Well I can no longer sit back and do nothing, so any help I can give I will but I have no idea what to do. But I do have a sister going to college in Australia and eventually I will have to visit her. I suppose I could give your mom a kiss for you.
jevers I hope you can figure something out man, and I hope they don’t like fine you or something. Can they even do that?
Seriously guys, trolls trolling trolls here.
I’m going to jail for you all.
TL;DR summary:
1) censorship=oppression
2) it takes to be smart to understand humor, satire, irony and to have self-sarcasm
3) ED is one the most lulziest sites, usually without cheap humor
4) it takes to be SMART and have FOUGHT hard to have freedom of speech and thought
Now for a looooooong post:
@vonrankles
I wish you were true but the world’s just not like that
@buc11t
You call yourself a teacher? What year do you live in? 1850’s? 1900’s? 1950’s? ”
1) “School clearly doesn’t work for everyone” good teaching: “you are just too stupid to go to school”
2) “When you have a 6 year student old tell you to f$#k off … without consideration for others” you see it’s not freedom of speech this kind of behavior, it is bad child raising or perhaps problematic personality, maybe idiotic, but hey, freedom to be stupid is certainly one.
3) “The internet is not supposed to be censored” perhaps your only correct statement (yes, I know I quoted it out of context, irony is called)
4) “The police is there …” the police does not reduce crime, does not prevent it, does bust you when you do something government-opposing thing (eg protest for “stupid things” ie unemployment, high taxes, low wages, no/bad health coverage, CENSORSHIP and NO FREE SPEECH). Look the world where you live in, look at the news, go out to speak to some “hippies”, some “lazy” unemployed
@Djrapid77
“as soon as someone does get offended it becomes racism” O RLY? well I am offended by christian sites (tells me I am a sinner to have sex, fun etc), by muslim sites (pretty much as former), by germans (well some of them think I am a crook, liar and thief), by stupidity most of them all. Should I demand the STFU? no, i merely can ignore them or simply not give any credit to them and LMAO at them
@Australians and Americans:
because the other’s government has done/does bad things doesn’t mean he can’t point out your’s government bad things. both your governments have done/do pretty-pretty bad things (damn Austrians and americunts)
1) I live in Greece, I dunno much about American and Australian societies, guess all I’ve seen from tv shows. But common sense is common, usually everywhere (not really but there are some common standards), and I don’t feel offended at all by ED:Greece article.
2) If something is not funny/witty it’s not necessarily offending: it’s cheap humor
3) Censorship is used to oppress the opposite opinion and to enforce censorship (yeap, it feeds itself, it’s not circular logic) to other matters where it wouldn’t be accepted at first
3) If you think something is degenerate or stupid or offensive, you can talk-fight it, if you are smart enough to do it, not ban it
4) SMART people need teachers and tutors till they become smart and the become people (around 16-18 y.o.). After that, they need freedom. Also before that, to be true, just mixed with guidance
Thank you, and F@#k off anyone who disagrees with me, I’ll ban him and delete his posts
ITT: a bunch of people choose to be offended, bitch about free speech being bullshit, and generally talk out of their asses about equality and twist each others’ words for profit
also, unwarranted self-importance
I’m ashamed of my country. Please USA. Invade Australia. We need our democracy and freedom returned.
Recently I was also sued by two Australian boozos for $42.5 million because of comments posted on my forum. I didn’t make the comments and neither party reported them myself or my moderators. But because Aussie law is so retarded, I am liable and have spent the last nine months of my life fighting it off in the supreme court.
Luckily I won, or my hobby site would have destroyed my life. F#@k Australia. Nation of ludites.
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Way to go, Lolsfailia. Here’s hoping that this workes out well for you.
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Hyperion – The smoking gun is FREEDOM OF SPEECH – dont leave it out for everyone to use, you get me now or do i need to clarify?
Gondola66 – the ‘z’ generation coming through schools have already developed an attitude of “why should i have to” and “i dont want to”. Blame the parents – yes but hey that kid can also set up an account to this crap site to post comments such as some here have done whilst haveing the Freedom to do so.
You get lost on the whole metaphor thing too? Police being the moderator…
[...] but that’s what they find amusing anyway. Of course, it also turns out that ED is apparently on Australia’s “secret” censorship filter list, so if the gov’t ever gets around to forcing ISPs to block sites, the people offended by ED [...]
Time to feed the trolls..
@buc11t: If you’re really a teacher then please quit. Your grammar and thought structure is at the level of a young child (even considering that you might be a non-native speaker) and you have an equally retarded worldview.
“When you have a 6 year student old tell you to f$#k off, embrace that freedom of speech”
I do embrace that freedom of speech. Doesn’t mean I have to agree with what is said. Nor does it mean that I have to support the kid being an asshole. This is not a difficult concept.
“The US does not own the internet and sadly, without some sort of restraint, we end up with sites like yours that need to be censored.”
Huh? Australia is the one claiming to own the internet by applying its laws to the entire world. Australia doesn’t own the internet either, though they’re clearly trying. Plus, “need to be censored” reeks of antihumanism. If you think that we can’t sensibly process such information, then please walk out into the wilderness and die.
“You are welcome to visit the aboriginal communities and share your thoughts one on one”
Huh? What thoughts? He hasn’t expressed a single opinion on Aboriginal people. Is it really that difficult to understand that multiple people author content for this site? Is it difficult to understand that humor is not the same as opinion?
“The internet is not supposed to be sensored, just like society doesn’t need police, eveyone knows how to behave. Some people choose not to behave, and here we have the police standing there laughing and standing by the criminals.”
Words can inflict direct harm to people and property? You’ve got to try really hard to reach this level of stupidity.
@not_telling:
“coz it means WHITE GIRL”
No, it doesn’t. Plus, it’s obvious that the author made a mistake while editing and instead meant to say “about” instead of “are” or something like that. You’re the retard who can’t understand fancy concepts like ‘context’.
“I agree the censoring of the internet is crap. but I think ED should pull down the article on Trinity Bates”
Paraphrased: We shouldn’t censor the internet, except for the things that offend me personally.
“Your comment is awaiting moderation.
CENSORSHIP MUCH
hypocrites”
I assume, then, that you’d be fine if someone posted all of your personal information to this site and the moderator did nothing about it. You’d be fine if someone used this forum to coordinate attacks against civilians. You’d be fine if someone posted links to child pornography.
You clearly think that censorship is an all-or-nothing sort of thing. Please stop being stupid and try to understand that there exist many good reasons to restrict information. However, the reasons given by the AHRC are most certainly not good ones.
@tigasuporta:
“And yet you moderate (CENSOR) what comments people are allowed to leave in response to this blog.”
See my response to not_telling. I know it’s difficult to handle reality, but you could at least try.
@vando11
“i am not surprised they wont let you back into the country”
Your reading comprehension sucks. Does buc11t teach at your elementary school?
@Alicechan
“The argument for free speech is childish. I wanna do what I want and nobody boss me around! This denies the fact that living in a society requires submission to societies rules and standards in order for a society to function.
There are things that have been deemed by society to be wrong. If you cant handle that then you follow the appropriate channels to change the policy or you GTFO!”
Oh, so all Americans are part of Australian society. Thanks for the geopolitical insight, genius. What “appropriate channels” are there for an American citizen to change laws in Australia? There are none. There is simply no legal recourse available to combat such injustice. That, my dear, is fascism. You may be happy with it (or happy to run away from it and avoid the problem), but many people are not.
@Djrapid77:
“Even if you don’t remove it, at least acknowledge the fact it has upset them and look at it from their point of view.”
I’m betting he’s done that. He’s certainly mentioned that people were offended. However, to make “offending” illegal is idiocy.
“Thirdly, if you think the Australian government is messed up for censoring your below average website from the internet or for even sending this letter to you, you should really have a look at your own government before criticizing others.”
Are you perfect? If not, then by your own logic you have no right to criticize and should STFU. Stop being such a hypocrite and think before you speak next time.
“How can you teach kids manners when there is this crap in the headlines of the news about so called freedom of speech.”
You can start by actually understanding the concept of “freedom of speech”. And by not letting people like buc11t anywhere near a classroom.
@smokey
“Your assertion that Aboriginals are “typically called coons, boongs, abos or black cunts by every Australian.” shows you know little about this country apart from your own bigotry.”
Whose assertion? Some random wiki author who will never read this? Congratulations on being unable to understand that not everybody (who is not you) is the same person. Also, as I’ve mentioned, try to understand that humor is not the same as opinion.
“If “freedom of speech” gives you the right to defame an entire race of people without redress by said people, then I think you are sadly mistaken.”
They are well within their rights to respond. If an Aboriginal wants to set up a web site making fun of Caucasians, then great. If you think that any actual harm has been done, then you’re a simpleton.
“Not “welcome to the world gov” mate, how about welcome to the bloody world. We’re tired of you dumb Americans thinking you own it.”
Ah yes, like how Australians are imposing their laws on the entire world. I did hear that it was their turn now that the USA is in decline.
@Mictlantecuhtli
“It’s painfully obvious that their hypocritical and overplayed “free speech” excuse is just a cop-out answer to cause harm and grief to other people.”
Again, if mere words cause your ‘harm’ then you are a simpleton.
“Try defacing a page and watch it get reverted. Ironically, they don’t tolerate people griefing their own website.”
Ah yes, because ED is a single unified group of people. You know that you can revert their changes too, right? I know that this makes it so much easier to direct your anger, but please try to be less retarded.
“Won’t be long before ED gets it’s share of the fun.”
Oh yes, because undeserved physical harm is fun. Please try to be less of a sociopath.
@hatemonger
“Perhaps you can block Australian IP’s.”
This actually sounds like a reasonable solution, especially since it sounds like AU is going to do it anyway. Though if it had been blocked earlier, I wouldn’t have had this opportunity to waste five minutes responding to people who are so stupid that they might easily be confused with trolls.
@ Aussie you lived within ‘one’ Aboriginal community you say? which one was that? and how is that a basis for the rest of our population??? challenge yourself and take a look at the myths and facts on the Aust Gov website about Aboriginal Australian’s yes we’re overrepresented in many low socio-economic instances BUY we are working (together in the most part) towards addressing issues and moving forward. Almost 40% of Aboriginal people are earning and income and paying taxes! bet you never knew that FACT! if your going to make broad judgments do a little searing first. Me and my Aboriginal workmates in our organisation were shocked at this website and support the filth being removed because it is disgusting and a joke at claiming free speech!
And dont fail to remember that the way we live is a socio-economic situation NOT a black situation! people from all different races EVEn white people yes mostly white people in this country live in low standards and deal with the same issues we face. Again the 100’s of yrs ago claim, do your research! the last child was ’stolen’ in 1985 under that racist legislation, the stolen gen, many are still alive you know? plus you can’t spend 100’s of years destroying something and then fix it in less than that, really!
I am all for freedom of speech, us as Aboriginal people didn’t even have that opportunity until 1967 when we were voted in as citizens and NOT flora and fauna! (again this did NOT happen 100’s of yrs ago). Our Aboriginal soldiers fought for this country, served with white Australians proudly, even climbed the ranks as respected soldiers and yet when they came home the white soldiers were given land and they were given nothing, they would stand outside the windows of rsl’s whilst thier war mates passed them a beer and then many went on to serve AGAIN without recognition (again not 100’s of years ago)…
I could go on and on but really please educate yourself. The internet is a wonderful thing so before making comments please take a look, or visit and Aboriginal organisation and talk to the hard working Aboriginal people who run them with next to nothing. Go and learn the positive that is happening in our communities, there is a lot of it going on, so many amazing people doing amazing things! if your open to that then you wont be disappointed!
buc11t: I think you are misunderstanding the duties of an ED sysop. It’s not to police that site and make sure no one’s super important feelings are hurt. It is to uphold the quality of a website, and an extremely viewed and popular one at that.
vonrankles: ya, but it’s kind of funny. “teacher”.
[...] Joseph Evers, one of the “writers” of Encyclopedia Dramatica, reveals that he got a threatening letter from the Australian Human Rights Commission, which based upon its logo may or may not be controlled [...]
I live in Australia and I’m not surprised by what I read. The country’s current leader Rudd refers to Queensland (an Australian State) as …”the Peoples Republic of Queensland”… and the State Governments have confiscated all the land under laws since 1984 when the Westminster System of Government was severed; it is now land of “the State”; farmers have no security, and no right of compensation for their real property since it has been appropriated. All is controlled by State planning laws; wages are set in a Court system with no relevance to market forces.
All domestic livestock are indentured to the Federal Government and that is prescribed in law as the “industry” with unelected politically appointed government officials managing the “industry” through Regulation; a tax is prescribed on all livestock to pay for the system in addition to the normal income tax.
Aborigines live in various communities throughout the country on land supposedly in trust by Commonwealth authorities for their benefit; they cannot own or control that land; well over $1.2 billion is spent on them (less than 50,000 people) annually in social welfare, very few work, drugs and alcohol are major problems. They are slowly migrating to the towns and cities and taking their problems there as well. They do not want to intergrate into main stream western style society
By the way Racial Discrimination Act is only for Aboriginals no other ethnic group is protected!!!! And they can discriminate and no law prohibits it!!!
Australia is a left wing socialist society; right into wealth distribution and control. Australians generally see themselves as an élite society and wanting to dominate and control; they are inward looking in their outlook; they think they are the best the world; there not real interested in freedom, justice, and liberty hence their attack on Mr Evers.
[...] but that’s what they find amusing anyway. Of course, it also turns out that ED is apparently on Australia’s “secret” censorship filter list, so if the gov’t ever gets around to forcing ISPs to block sites, the people offended by ED [...]
[...] but that’s what they find amusing anyway. Of course, it also turns out that ED is apparently on Australia’s “secret” censorship filter list, so if the gov’t ever gets around to forcing ISPs to block sites, the people offended by ED [...]
@buc11t
1) if I am offended by you (your posts, comments whatever) am I justified (morally or legally) to request that you are censored? even if your posts/comments are well justified and your arguments perfectly valid? even if you are making fun of my stupidity? even if they are on YOUR PRIVATE site/blog/account? (cause I’m already suing you, find a lawyer)
2) so isn’t your duty as a teacher to provide them a school experience and quality so that they want to? I mean, there’s got to be a reason someone doesn’t see the reason why should he/she attend school (maybe bad teachers? dunno)
3) I know what you meant about moderation/police and I responded about the police because you compared moderation with police (Hyperion gave a good response) and I forgot to respond about moderation
4) luckily hungry_hippo covered the matter about “what moderation is” (DELETE F*CKING EVERYTHING, amirite?)
5) excuse me, in what part/year of Nazi Germany do you live in and you continue to PUBLICLY not want Freedom of Speech? (it is not an offense to have that opinion, it is merely retarded)
@smokey
“Your assertion that Aboriginals are “typically called coons, boongs, abos or black cunts by every Australian.” shows you know little about this country apart from your own bigotry.”
Whose assertion? Some random wiki author who will never read this? Congratulations on being unable to understand that not everybody (who is not you) is the same person. Also, as I’ve mentioned, try to understand that humor is not the same as opinion.
“If “freedom of speech” gives you the right to defame an entire race of people without redress by said people, then I think you are sadly mistaken.”
They are well within their rights to respond. If an Aboriginal wants to set up a web site making fun of Caucasians, then great. If you think that any actual harm has been done, then you’re a simpleton.
“Not “welcome to the world gov” mate, how about welcome to the bloody world. We’re tired of you dumb Americans thinking you own it.”
Ah yes, like how Australians are imposing their laws on the entire world. I did hear that it was their turn now that the USA is in decline.
HungryHippo, well you are full of tired old clichés aren’t you. Just as you appear to in fact be one. An attention seeking hatemonger or the like I’d guess.
The quote was taken from the ED page that has gathered so much worldwide attention. It’s a lame excuse to blame someone else when the whole page could be deleted with no further drama.
Freedom of speech doesn’t include racism. There are laws against it, as I’m sure there must be even in your country. BTW, why don’t you put the same sort of thing up about Black Americans? Afraid they might come knocking at your door? To let racist taunts be thrown via a keyboard from the other side of the world, hiding behind “freedom of speech” and the “world gov” scare, is cowardly, childish, and bigoted.
Oh yes, Aussies evidently imposing our laws on the world. How quaint. Rather rich coming from America which has imposed itself for decades on the world. We’re sick of hearing America is the only right way to go. In this case you are wrong. But of course I wouldn’t expect a self absorbed American wanker to actually listen to anyone from another country.
Everyone who is not an EDiot. Listen. This is the canary in the coal mine. If you want to give up your right to free, even offensive, speech go right ahead. Don’t take mine. This is going to be a large matter to deal with.
http://encyclopediadramatica.com/Black_people
That’s the address to the black american page.
http://encyclopediadramatica.com/Whites
This is the address to the white american page
http://encyclopediadramatica.com/Asians
That is the address to the Asian page.
http://encyclopediadramatica.com/Indian
That’s the address to the dot not feather Indian page.
http://encyclopediadramatica.com/Muslim
That’s the address to the Muslim Page.
Really you should do a bit of research before you act all butt hurt.
Good to see you sticking to your guns by not taking down the article. I hope you don’t get extradited Ernst Zundel style.
Let go down to the fact for abit.
All thing said on the page are true and have happen and no now all of them are like that but everyone dirty history has to be posted somewhere and usely everyone posted here.
I don’t see one you one of you have the right to conplain cause some facts and joke are posted online on a website which everyone now it don’t go on 100% of the race. Do you see people from NZ sueing the site cause it says there sheep fucker no stop quit your whining.
@the dude from china congratz on being to albe to get on here but try facebook and other 5000’s of site without proxy and such to view.
Also on the throwing rock at the flag i was like 6 back then and me and mate where pissed cause we had to spend a week of luanch times sitting around listening to stuff we allready heard but it just the fact show about there different standard. And yes my grammar is bad i’m abit of airhead when writing online never bother to check my grammar either. and @that dude who told me not to go around claiming i have abo blood i claim to people openly but i don’t do any government office to claim benefit we only get as a people.
I’ll just make this a fact i have edited and added stuff to the abo page so all written by you can’t claim as racist so your few of your whole arrangement just became unfounded.
It could mean much more than never being able to visit Australia. It’s possible that you will be extradited to face charges.
I refer you to the case of Hew Raymond Griffiths (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hew_Raymond_Griffiths)
He was extradited to America from Australia despite never having been there previously. He was also convicted under American laws for crimes that he could have only committed in Australia.
The “crimes” were different in some respects, but they both used the same tool to commit the crime, the internet.
“While I act in complete compliance with both the civil and criminal codes of the United States of America, and am assured the right of free speech according to our Constitution” will that defense work in Australia? I don’t think so.
Will the American government do anymore to protect you than the Australian government did to protect an Aust citizen? I don’t think so.
America is trying to enforce it’s laws on the rest of the world (notably the copyright protection and DMCA shit) so it is going to be a 2 way exchange if they hope to do it. Sadly you might become another sacrificial lamb to censorship and big business.
I’m not even going to try to explain my feelings about the great firewall of China thats being imported to Australia, but thanks for the info that ED was added to the list. It wasn’t on any of the ists that I *didn’t* see or diseminate. I will be sure to ask the politicians to justify how ED is child porn.
Amoredfelix, the Black American page is like a kindergarten story compared to the Aboriginal page.
If you think that’s so funny, why don’t you go and say to a Black American audience (you know, even in the same room with them) that “They are the most primitive animals on the planet.” Let me know how many laughs you get. I hope you can afford your expensive health insurance over there…
But of course you lot are bloody cowards. Keyboard crusaders, too scared to say to someone’s face the vomit you spew through the PC.
Now run along back to your narrow minded and insular little word kiddies. I think you’ve had your few minutes of fame. So how was all the attention? Sadly not as intense as a real life meeting with a group of
Aboriginals.
I really feel sorry for the people that find this offensive and are taking this to heart. Look at the content for this whole site, were the aboriginals singled out…NO.
This is what the site is about.
So why has so much attention been brought to this matter, probably because alot of what is said is FKN true.
The petrol sniffing, child raping ect…ALL TRUE.
I guess the truth hurts.
Maybe the post should be changed and lets add some fictional shit like the majority of aboriginal have jobs and dont steal anything that they can get their hands on. I no it would give me a good LOL.
Take for an example the whole stolen generation bullshit, yes what happened was extremely wrong and shouldn’t of happened, but every single yeah we have to say SORRY to them or they have a fkn sook. seriously time to get on with life guys
You don’t see other countries apologising for war’s or being invaded in the past do you.
Keep up the good work ED.
Oh Australia. Is there anything you won’t flip your shit over?
We will only achieve true equality when somebody files a complaint about the article on “white people” being racist.
Judging by all the comments about “dumb Americans” and the “oppression” non-whites have faced this will not happen any time soon.
HungryHippo – time to get some help, all those years of angst built up inside.
You have chosen satire as your weapon to inflict harm on others in order to make them feel inferior – simpletons as you would say and yet you feel that words cannot harm peolpe, why then use sarcasm.
[...] has written a blog post commenting on the AHRC’s claim: So here’s the deal. This is an initial investigation into [...]
AussieAussieAussie,
So were you at the Cronulla riots? Draped in the Oz flag? Bashing the f*ck out of anyone not perceived to be an Anglo-Saxon white Australian? Or were you cheering at the telly when you saw it all?
And where the hell did you get some nutty idea that “every single yeah[r?] we have to say SORRY to them”? Do you really live here? If so you would know that the Howard gov spent 11 years refusing to utter the word sorry. It was only until Rudd gained office that he used the parliament to nationally broadcast said word to a nation that was ready and listening; both black and white. It was a very proud day for us as a country, and a meaningful step towards reconciliation.
The bile coming from this site is anything but. It is grotesque and sick. If any Aboriginals have had a hand in it then IMO they are in dire need of counselling by their elders. They should be proud of who they are, not putting shit on their own race.
Smokey, don’t you know you’re name is a well known american symbol (you don’t).
First let me get this Straight, I find you ignorant to satire but then again this whole “issue” is fighting over e-land with 2 e-factions and nothing good (or bad) has come out of it.
the fact that people like you and your “rights” commission and the state media is nothing but puke, however I do understand where you are coming from.
But still you have done nothing to help anyone. have you protected any minorities from being bashed? I doubt it. Helped stop the war in Sudan? Doubt that too. physically helped anyone in need after the two earthquakes in Haiti and Chile. I didn’t expect for you to do that either. and finally, have you helped the aboriginals to stop the addiction with beer and their petrol sniffing problems and try to help them find jobs in a society plagued with corrupt gov? I would doubt that too as well.
this means that not helping anyone is as equal as an bigot who watches the fights rather then stopping it.
also trying to use the cronulla riots against that of a removal of a “link” is completely different and unrelated and freedom of speech should be in the middle including racism as long as your not going to beat anyone.
oh and smokey, you’re one of the main reasons why I hate Australia. Isolationist, Selfish and Egotistically Ignorant.
Just like AussieAussieAussie Said, you’re imposing your rules on others. Especially that stupid stickup issue with japan and the scandal with china.
oh and black americans?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oL23uWMqCXY&feature=player_embedded :
this is a black american who thinks the site is funny.
now if you want a Better argument with me, go and do some god damn research first.
oh and ED will and can offend everyone.
Betcha you still don’t get Satire.
Look at what we have here…. An uncensored genuine balls to the wall discussion about Australian Aboriginals with all the knives and daggers drawn, a real conversation, which we definitely wouldnt be having if the article wasn’t online and we certainly won’t be having once the Govt introduces its Mandatory Filtering disaster. But then thats what they want isn’t it the stifiling of real debate and the exchange of genuine points of view my god that would look almost like a democracy at work.
Say No to internet censorship.
[...] Joseph Evers, the owner of Encyclopedia Dramatica, published the first page of an email from HREOC on his website’s blog today. “This is an initial investigation into charging me, personally, with the violation of [...]
@smokey
the whole ED is filled with nigger and asian “racism”, abo “racism” exists only on a few pages. and what, we will start comparing how much satire is thrown upon each race? like, you know, I’m “vlachos” (something like greek hilly-billy but not that bad-only different idiom), should I sue ED for NOT having a racist page on me? (I mean it ignores me, that’s racist too right?)
@buc11t
have you ever, I mean ever, enjoyed satire or sarcasm? hey, sarcasm and satire are eeeviiil things, they hurt people’s feelings…
I just read HungryHippo’s reply.
I’ll be donating a few bucks in just a minute.
Thanks Joseph, you are a leader by example in the war on internet censorship and I respect you beyond measurement for that.
lol… fuck a abo …. who cares what those australian niggers think
[...] Encyclopedia Dramatica Blog » Blog Archive » The state of things … [...]
From what I read on Nine MSN I don’t see the Australian Government as trying to censor the Internet worldwide. From what I read, an American person came to Australia, broke the law in Australia by UPLOADING something racist that upset some Aboriginal people and is complaining about it- calling Australia a shitty country. When you go to another country it’s important to respect the laws and culture of that country!
You would not walk around Iraq wearing a bikini, or expect the consequences to be pretty if someone smuggled illegal drugs into Indonesia. The pressing point of this article is that the author didn’t know that what they were doing was illegal. The moral point of the article is that: is Internet Censorship in Australia going too far? and Is there a difference between Free Speech and Hate Speech?
I’m disappointed to read how many people are being so racist to Americans, Australians and Aboriginal people!
I don’t see anyone or anyone’s culture as being particularly smarter, richer, nicer or better than anyone elses culture- it’s just different!
If these differences didn’t exist then I think there would be less choice and that the world would be a very boring place!
“I don’t see anyone or anyone’s culture as being particularly smarter, richer, nicer or better than anyone else’s culture- it’s just different!”
I can’t believe people are so dumb as to think this is some truism to believe in…
We’re having the Niqab debate in Canada…
We think it sucks ass… THAT culture is dumber, sheltered, hateful, and just plain crappier than ANY other on the face of the earth… And like some “First Immigrants” of Australia, ‘Mecca Necks’ have a penchant for well underage sex…
All Cultures are not equal… Individuals are Equal… Don’t forget it…
Anybody else remember the “Truly Tasteless Jokes” series of books?
http://books.google.ca/books?id=ZgN0XECF5U0C&printsec=frontcover&dq=truly+tasteless+jokes&source=bl&ots=Gfz4o9ES-I&sig=rmjHZGPQJUumSiXZtBYSDeWXl00&hl=en&ei=uX6hS7ysI8iXtgeTl93yBw&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CAkQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=&f=false
Oh shi….
[...] but that’s what they find amusing anyway. Of course, it also turns out that ED is apparently on Australia’s “secret” censorship filter list, so if the gov’t ever gets around to forcing ISPs to block sites, the people offended by ED [...]
@The Serf
The Aboriginal land is leased to us, a dodgy deal on the gov’s behalf, they said we were going to own it and we dont.
Aboriginal people have complex issues and we didn’t do it all by ourself, we were one of the healthiest people in the world prior invasion! and Yes we have to along with the government make changes to better our future which we are!
Nearly 40% of us work!!! yes thats right WORK! and PAY TAXES! you can get that off the Aust gov website, myths & facts about us. Welfare dependancy, inclu. relying on Gov housing is a big issue, welfare doesn’t just include payouts i hope you realise.
Substance abuse yes is a major issue also along with many other low socio-economic factors that ALL australian’s deal with. you want to show us how much our gov spends on welfare etc on NON- Aboriginal people? we aren’t the only ones who have these issues you do realise?
Why should we completely intergrate into a society force upon us and which caused us so many problems? ignoring our own culture only makes these problems worse! I can tell you from experience. we need to find a happy balance of both worlds!
The Discrimination Act is for ALL Australians! Seriously you are an idiot to believe otherwise & its not working for our ppl in the NT, it has conveiniently been removed so that the Gov can do what they like!
@AussieAussieAussie
& other countries have said sorry for numerous things to numerous populations. plus the Stolen gen is about the ’stealing of children’ which has been proven with evidence (even though most of it was again convieniently for the Gov destroyed), nothing else… 7 i’d like to see you get over rape or abuse etc if you kept being told it didn’t happen.
No we’re not singled out but it does hurt, we’ve been through a lot of racism & pain in the past and its just not the same!
And its not true, you obviously simply believe what your told and hear in the media, petrol sniffing is not a major drug of concern (I should know I’m an Aboriginal drug and Alcohol worker for the state), child raping is also not a major issue, the doctors involved in screening the children have said this themselves, why would the gov need to do what they have done in the NT to address child abuse? They have always had another agenda! They have been trying to get Aboriginal people to sign over their lands and offering millions to thhose communities which they’re declining, they know money wont fix their problems! the Gov wants to mine and dump nuclear waste on those lands now, oh how conveinient. have you seen these reports? no i guess not they’re actual factual based reports too not a magazine article! i’m happy to send them to you if you would like…
Like I said to Serf a lot of HAVE job’s and remember we came from none of us having jobs, living in poverty as wards of the stae not allowed to get educated, only used as servents and labourers.
The TRUTH is that we are making better lives for ourselves, together with many amazing non-Aboriginal Aussies and the TRUTH is that we are not going anywhere, we are climbing the social ranks and our voices & actions are getting stronger and stronger! I only wish you would meet some of the AMAZING Aboriginal people i work with every day, or attend one of our state Aborigianl networks, truely inspirational workers, doing SO much with next to nothing.
And the Stolen Gen is not bullshit, it is still very real! we have had ONE apology from the Gov, an amazing day!
@Anon.USA… ONE Black American what amazing research!! haha and we have ONE Aboriginal Aussie here in support as opposed to 4-5? other Aboriginal Aussies who dont support it…
@Australian & 68 smokey, refreshing to read your opinions that aren’t merely based on myths and media propaganda.
@Mitchelll7, you still dont make sense and are still an idiot. learn your culture, family history, and get invovled in our community mate. there’s a lot of amazing things going on and you will be positively surprised im sure!
As an White Australian, I support the HRC actions fully. The pathetic use of freedom of speech to defend blatant racism is disgusting.
To any aboriginal readers, my deepest sympathy.
To the racist aussies that defend this pathetic troll of a web page, you do not represent anyone other than yourselves.
Like it or not Mr Evers you have broken .au law, and should you visit Australia you will hopefully be arrested, and punished as is appropriate.
You have chosen to allow access of your racist page from Australia and therefore
broken our law.
[...] the California-based site offered some amusement and the way it attacked all should surely show the non-racism of the site [...]
Biting satire: serious business.
Hey all you Aborigines, every single race and country has a negative article! It’s not about you as it’s the nature of the site to make fun of EVERYONE in the meanest way possible.
That’s what ED is about: really sharp satire about everything on earth. Stop taking things seriously.
Not to mention the vile images on the “if you are offended page”.
I have up to now been a strong opponent of the govt filtering scheme, as I always thought sensible people would know where to draw the line with offensive material.
Congratulations, if this is the free speech that we are supposed to desire then I for one no longer care. With freedom comes responsibility, which you show none of in publishing such items.
I have just blocked the entire Encylopedia dramatica site from my networks permanantely, due to this uneccesarily
offensive page.
Good on you Joe,
Don’t let the bleatings of the globalist, politically correct, so called Australians supporting censorship get you to change your position.
If abos don’t want to be offended they needn’t read it.
@falconhell: .au law? do you even know what you’re talking about? why are all the Nazi & KKK sites up then, and why are you not on them talking about country level domains. Idiot.
As for this law, the greens will block it in the senate, they already oppose it, joe hockey has denounced it as communism almost and there are only a few sitting days left and the bill’s not even drafted. It’s not coming til after the next election, and by then who knows, maybe that self serving krudd will be gone.
Kim Beasly started this shit, along with wanting a homeland security and a coastguard. None of that panned out, and neither will this.
*Education Revolution – still revolving
*National Broadband Network (from $4b, to $7b to $43 billion) inexplicable
*Internet filter – already being questioned within his own party.
- signed a former labor supporter.
The Australian Greens were looking for a way to “knock on the head” internet filtering legislation to be introduced to Parliament as early as this month, according to Western Australian Senator Scott Ludlam.
Speaking at the Kickstart Forum [see photo gallery], Ludlam predicted that the Federal Opposition would also attempt to stall the introduction of the legislation, but he said the Opposition’s policy position on the issue remained unclear.
He believed the Opposition was planning to block most legislation in the Senate.
He described the tactic as “cynical”, as it could make it seem the Government had not achieved anything by the time the Federal election was called later this year.
“The Senate at the moment could be politely described as constipated,” he said. “It is very difficult to pass anything through there at the moment – partly because there is a huge mass of complex legislation that is supposed to be going through.
“We will probably get the Telstra bill passed but I am going to predict right now that the net filter bill will not be on the table before the election – and i think probably they are going to struggle to get the broadband legislation through.”
Ludlam said his party’s goal was to have the Government rethink its proposed introduction of ISP-level filtering.
http://www.securecomputing.net.au/News/168435,greens-filter-issue-is-too-hot-for-election-year.aspx
tl;dr
Call the ACLU.
See also the obscenity trials of Lenny Bruce.
Lighten the fuck up, bitches.
Trolls Trolling Trolls Trolling Trolls. Send me a message when the fagging stops.
@ Falconhell
“The pathetic use of freedom of speech to defend blatant racism is disgusting.”
Stop right there…it’s not a “pathetic” use, its exactly the use it was created for. It’s funny how you have been such a strong opponent of censorship until something offended YOU. Oh no! I guess now its a whole different story now that YOU are offended. Lets now all live under YOUR idea of what is and isn’t acceptable. Sorry but that’s why freedom of speech was made and exists. Anyone who wants censorship must admit that they are trying to dictate what THEY want to everyone else; selfish don’t you think?
WORDS DO NOT HURT ANYONE PHYSICALLY. No other freedoms of yours are taken away by hearing the word nigger, abo, spic, pinky, etc. and you are insane if you think they are. I revel in the fact that on the internet, people will say what they really think regardless of consequence in any way. This is honesty in its PUREST form. They are not being coerced to say anything nice nor are they being held back from saying anything bad. So why do you think people say so many horrible things about blacks/aboriginals instead of good things? BECAUSE THEY REALLY BELIEVE THIS. I bet a very large proportion of your society thinks bad things about aboriginals. Even without law restricting them, they would keep it to themselves because of social ostracizing. You’re right they are afraid to say it in public, but it doesn’t change how they feel.
Do you want to be comforted by sweet lies your whole life? I guess idiots really do revel in their ignorance of the truth of popular opinion.
fuck off falconhell. it’s all fun and games. get a bloody grip. no sensible person (well we’re not all really sensible but whatever) at ED is really racist. it’s just dicking around, there’s alot of racist stuff there and i laugh at it all. get over it. out government needs to get over it as well. if you are offended by ED then you need to get the massive fucking cock out of your arse.
go ED, fuck our horrible government
Good on the site for telling it exactly how it is. I live in Rockhampton QLD and thanks to Captain Bligh and Kevin Krudd they stopped the grog flowing in the abo’s deadshit communities and of course, where were they going to go to get their piss – into the white fellas town. Well now we have had a massive jump in break ins, bashings, grandmother being raped and killed and blacks everywhere waiting for the moment a bottle-o opens its doors. I am so sick of it all, being made to feel uncomfortable in MY OWN COUNTRY TOO! Finally, a site that is just totally saying what we are all thinking. Good on ya’s and keep it up.
ah yes, the hilarity!
wot me racist?
Seriously though folks, with an ego like this, do the majority of americans (presumably the ones with a more intelligent and realistic ego) really wonder why the rest of the world considers america to be stuffed to the hilt with laughably misplaced arrogance?
If nothing else, I enjoy laughing at people who petulantly stomp their little foot and INSIST they have a right to free speech, without really having a clue about what that actually means (here’s s tip – it means being intelligent – not a fucktard
FalconHell, Congratulations on being Too sensitive. I mean ED should be the least of your concerns. I mean your proof of blocking the ENTIRE ED pages means you censor things but eh, people always need something “classified”.
And whats even worse is that you made fun of a dead singer in your little state media shows being equally offensive as the aboriginal article on ED.
and finally you do not understand satire (no matter how controversial it is)
Note: the driscrimination act of 1975 does NOT include saying anything about satire. (loophole guessing)
Also the damn country needs to be invaded.
Is it just me, or is everyone else playing the “it must be censored because I don’t like it!” card? It certainly seems like it.
Hell, I don’t care much for their pages on countries and races and all that; I visit for the internet-related pages, and they are always a joy. Did anyone know that users on ED were directly responsible for getting a pedophile arrested? No?
@falconhell
“You have chosen to allow access of your racist page from Australia and therefore
broken our law.”
So ED can’t post something on the internet because it offends your delicate antipodal sensibilities? I hate to think the precedent that would send; pictures of the Tienanmen Tank Man or even of unveiled women could be vetoed by Beijing and Riyadh, respectively. Its a good thing the Chinese and Saudis show some respect for free speech by Aussie standards.
Seriously, what the fuck Australia? You’re supposed to be a bunch of rowdy crocodile-punchers. When did you start making Singapore look like Amsterdam?
The real perversion, though, is that these Stalinist fuckers get off calling themselves the “Human Rights Commission”.
I second Anon.USA; we need to liberate the shit out of upside-down-land.
Jevers is a real American hero. He deserves donations. And candy.
This has been mentioned on Western Voices World News: http://www.wvwnews.net/story.php?id=8679
@ VanGrungy
I had the opportunity to attend high school as a teenager in a country who’s culture and language is completely different to my own. There were times that it could be very difficult, but in the end it was a very rewarding experience. Perhaps some different cultures seem absurd from your own cultural perspective, but it can come to make as much sense as your own if you can allow yourself to understand it!
It’s important to respect that country and the culture and put your own values second in order to understand why things are done in a certain way. It’s important to recognise that people in different countries value different things and to respect the rules of that country!
I have also been very lucky to gain some experience before living in the different country, by going to a school that had an ESL program (English as a Second Language) in Australia. There were a huge number of refugees and exchange students there. Some of the stories were incredible and inspiring. But, now that I’ve come to know a different way of living I’d say that I could never truly understand the feeling of the words or the culture of the students unless I had lived them myself.
Another amazing experience was going to the Barunga Festival (an Aboriginal Music, Sports and Cultural Festival) with my friend from Belgium. Everyone there was really friendly, polite and nice. ^_^
It was very different from the scene I would see on the streets in the evening. The Aboriginal Children who went to my Primary School were friends with everyone else in the school and were also awesome people. There were some wealthy Aboriginal children who’s parents refused for them to be allowed to participate in the extra benefits because they saw it as unfair. There were some Aboriginal children who didn’t have enough money for breakfast or for school uniforms. Aboriginal people are people, just like everyone else!
I remember an Aboriginal classmate who came to school in the city for the first time when I was in the 3rd grade. Even though he was 2 years older than that, he was put in the same class. He lived in a very rural community and could speak 5 different Aboriginal languages, but no English. He came across as very shy and polite and was very popular in the classroom. It’s amazing just how quickly this person learned to speak English (in just a few years he could read)…definitely not stupid!
From my experience, I would say that you cannot possibly understand another culture simply reading about it or living with it for less than a year!
Futhermore, racism IS hurtful and “funny” cartoon people were used to put down Irish and Aboriginal people as less worthy beings in Australia in the past. That might be partly why so much offence was taken!
I have read many of the blogs on this issue and somehow find it difficult to understand why the group on the left (the haters) and the group on the right (the dogooders) always seem to miss the point about what is and is not racism. The middle ground being held by the vast majority is if you come to another country try your best to adapt and by all means please retain your culture and values. Never try to elevate your ideals above those of your chosen country and I see no reason why you will not lead a pleasant if not always a perfect life. It is only when the extremist elements of an ethnic group no matter their nationality offends the majority that things begin to snowball down the road to racism. Take the example of English skinheads who during the 70’s and 80’s pushed their culture of dress and violence that many Australians took offence, Croatians and Serbs fighting at the tennis, Lebonese involved in gang rapes, Muslims using offensive language against Australian woman. People are allowed to choose who they like and who they don’t like but whether they choose to publicly voice these beliefs or not is surely where the fight begins as to who is right or wrong. I have always thought as a great statesman once was quoted ‘I may not always agree with what you say but I will defend to the death your right to say it’
Oh my God. People, you are NOT supposed to take ED seriously; the entire POINT of the site is to accentuate the negative and get a rise out of people. They bash EVERYTHING with equal opportunity. If you fall for it, it’s succeeded in its goal.
By the way, people are immediately booted if the admins suspect they are genuinely racist.
I’m a 6th Gen Aussie in Australia. I’m not going to get into an Aussie/American war-o-words because I’ve found most Americans I’ve ever dealt with to be intelligent and pleasant and I accept their national pride as part of what makes them who they are.
There are things on ED that are somewhat shocking and hard to stomach and it’s my own choice to continue reading or to move on but there are also things that are unpredictably hilarious. Sometimes the things on ED that have given me the best laughs are things I might personally frown upon in serious conversation – BUT- I don’t take the information on ED seriously. I take it all as the satire and often black humor or outright shock value that it is supposed to be, even when the content is skirting decency or stepping way over the line, turning round and p!ssing on it. Yes, some of the content is plain bad, but there are pearls among the shizz. Just because something shocks me into laughing doesn’t make me a racist, luddite, simpleton etc. Instead, it merely assures me that I haven’t been brain-washed into a particular way of thinking ‘yet’.for which I am truly thankful. Hallelujas! Praise the drol.
Obviously in a world of 7 billion people, there’s ALWAYS going to be someone who takes offense to something…anything… and they are free to do so in the same way that I am free to be offended and disappointed that MY Australian Government is doing it’s level best to make us look ridonkulously primitive to the rest of the world. A censorship-free internet is the Holy Grail and I don’t we’ll ever truly have it, but we have to at least make the effort. Too many wackos in high positions would abuse the power of censorship
Our current Government has a very strange agenda and it seems to be following the Chinese model of taking away our basic freedoms and keeping us in the dark while we sit around like sleepy sloths until the tree is chopped down from under us. At least the average American will stand up and fight against bad policy. Aussies tend to let politicians walk all over us… and they do.
ED has every right to exist. I hope sensibility will prevail and that JE won’t have to put up with this international chest-thumping nonsense much longer. It’s amazing how many people hate ED but keep coming back as if there’s only 3 links on the whole bloody internet to choose from.
Bottom line: If you can’t accept ED’s content – LEAVE! It’s that simple.
If someone says or draws a racist thing than that person is generally racist? ^_^`
Obviously whatever was posted up hurt the people who viewed the material or they wouldn’t have complained…
I don’t think laws by one country should be imposed on another country. It’s bullying!
But when people from one country are in another country they should respect the laws of that country by following them!
However, Australia shouldn’t push politics onto the world just because a copy write law was imposed. T.T
That’s just…petty \(> O <)/
I think if this guy had of just removed the racist material when the complaint came in the first place and apologised, stating that he didn't know he was breaking the law…I think he could've gotten away with it punishment free…maybe…
Just because Australia is a country has a relatively small population according to size and isn't a perfect country (whatever that is ^_^`) doesn't mean people from countries with more power should come and dictate the politics of how other people live their lives. That's how I feel. I don't feel Australia is better than another country, but the culture is naturally different as is normal for every country and I like it that way. I think the guy who posted the racist material should be given a 2nd chance; however, if he apologises and takes it down…since he couldn't have know that it was illegal at the time!
I think the Government isn't perfect but is trying to make an effort to make Australia a safe place and comfortable place to live in for the occupants here. It means that (apart from the food prices) everyone should be able to feel good about themselves and shouldn't have to put up with ridicule in any form based on appearance, nationality, culture, gender, sexual preference or religion. That is the aim. My boyfriend's not from Australia. He's a wonderful person and I don't want him to be subjected any form of racism if he can come one day, from an Australian or someone else!!!
He wouldn't understand it as humour and it would hurt him and it would hurt me because it would hurt him!
I think International relationships are normal, so maybe many people have feelings like this!
“I think the Government isn’t perfect but is trying to make an effort to make Australia a safe place and comfortable place to live in for the occupants here.”
You have no idea how wrong that is.
@americans_suck, You suck obviously but I hope you’re from Europe and not Australia, cause Europeans (not the UK obviously) especially Scandinavians have alot of freedom.
@Australian, I dont know about you, but your animeesque emiticons and your opinion is making me confused. what I do agree on is that some things can be offensive and funny at times.
@blackandwhite52, your name should be greyandgrey52. Why? because like me, I find it annoying and difficult that the two factions in this case are fighting over the free speech issue like it’s the 40’s. I also agree on them completely missing the point of what is being funny, offensive and/or racist.
Interesting article about the same issue
http://blog.lib.umn.edu/cla/discoveries/2009/11/recent-developments-in-defamat.html
All the quotes from the “Justice’s” (more like injustice amirite) are stupid, but even one of them admits the real truth of the matter; they can’t really do shit to people in other countries.
“….Kirby also observed that it would be costly and impractical for most litigants to bring a lawsuit against a foreign publisher. Even if a plaintiff received a damage award, a publisher without assets could ignore it and wait to see whether a court in its own country would enforce it. In the United States, judgments of this type would most likely be declared unconstitutional.”
^^ Sorry Aussiefags, our Justices are more concerned with real crimes then catering to your ridiculous lawsuits over hurt feelings. Jevers will be fine as long as he steers clear of abo town
Ah, I always knew this day would come, and invoked just the sort of hypocritical response from ED I thought it would.
You really wanna whine about your freedom of speech being trampled over when you could be sued any second for harassment, inciting racial hatred, and any number of other things? Well fine, but be warned that when someone complains about an article like the one in question, for you to cry foul over freedom of speech makes you look like a 6 year old having a temper tantrum. Wearing a tin-foil hat too, to stop the big nasty government from stealing your thoughts.
I mean geez… I know you run to your defenses pretty quickly when provoked (“It’s not meant to be taken seriously, even though that doesn’t do a single thing to change the fact that it unavoidably will be…) but right now you’re backing yourself into a dangerous corner. You’re vouching that freedom of speech gives you the right to spout racist stuff, and even though everyone knows you weren’t being serious, it still doesn’t look good for you. The state of some of the things on ED makes it even more hilariously hypocritical and pigheaded when people claim “Some people are just LOOKING to be offended by the articles we right about kids killing themselves…”
Speaking of hypocrisy, the mere fact that ED has moderators is enough to denounce all logic from the situation. Members say that anyone suspected of REAL racism is banned, which is even more hilarious when you consider that real racism can be as simple as copying and pasting something from an ED article. Apart from that, since ED is home to the most offensive things on the internet, it’s amazing to consider that people can still get banned. How’s that for freedom of speech?
So go ahead, continue to moan about your human rights being trampled on, just because for once, somebody important read an article and actually made a fuss over the sheer stupidity of someone thinking they could get away with saying it (Even if they just ’shouldn’t have taken it seriously’.) Hell, keep on thinking that wanting to censor the crap you keep on the site is a violation of your rights, despite what your site does to violate the rights of other’s. But be warned that one day, a few more important people will read the things on there, and then you’ll be sued faster than Jason Fortuny. Don’t worry though, I’ll make sure I’m there to laugh my ass off at you.
Apart from that, good blog!
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@everyone arguing about whether the article is offensive and/or funny: It doesn’t matter. The question never was “Is the content of the article offensive?” or “Does funny content make up for offensive content?”, the question was whether one has the right to post whatever they want. _That_ is the difference between America and pretty much every other nation. In America (theoretically) you can say anything you want regardless of the content (except for the specific case of calling for violence/fire-in-a-crowded-theater). I can say “Fuck the Queen of England, the Holocaust didn’t happen, and the King of Thailand fucks monkeys” without being jailed.
In other words, we believe that politicians don’t, or at least shouldn’t, have the ability to legislate what we say or write. Simple as that.
Talking about ridiculous laws…some people might find it difficult to believe that “Happy Birthday” is protected by copy write laws. But, Film-makers around the world still respect the law and pay the money if they use the song in their film. I think the laws must have some value to America and it’s respected.
In Australia what the guy has done would be classed as a real crime!
The thing is Australia isn’t America. Racist sketches that were supposedly comedic were used in the past in Australia to put certain cultures and ethnicities down in a very serious way. So, of course there are going to be people who are going to be offended if they see something similar in modern times. If you go to another country then please be respectful of their laws and culture!
“So, of course there are going to be people who are going to be offended”
Where the fuck does this idea that governments should censor “offensive” speech come from? Its asinine beyond belief.
Virtually any statement imaginable is going to be offensive to someone. Tough shit.
There are a lot of Russians today who would be deeply offended to hear anyone speak of Stalin in less-than-glowing terms. There’s plenty of Chinese nationalists who brim with fury at the very mention of the Dalai Lama. Riyadh and Tehran throw temper tantrums at unveiled women. Japanese nationalists scream about racism whenever Australians criticize whaling.
Do we have to oblige all of these people? Do we have to destroy any and all public discourse because someone’s pwecious widdle feewings might be hurt?
Then it’s simple. Don’t go to Russia and criticise Stalin and don’t go to Japan and criticise whaling. Don’t come to Australia and ridicule Aboriginal people!
A. Mr. Evers does not write the content of the site. Many people contribute, so that’s the first point you need to STFU on.
B. Many of the contributors are American, and in fact have not so much as a clue what Australia even looks like. So, STFU about that.
C. Encyclopedia Dramatica hates EVERYONE. Read the article on White Americans. READ IT. WHY AREN’T YOU REA-oh you are. You see? They’re assholes to everyone. That’s the whole point. Stop feeling so fucking special, not everything is about you. STFU.
Really, people, Encyclopedia Dramatica doesn’t contain truthful things. It’s meant to be offensive, ironic, and generally trollful. If you give someone the power to censor text because it can be construed as racist then you give that person the power to censor text condemning that censorship. Now you’re just one deduction away from total censorship.
If a person can be made racist by ED then their issue is bad/insufficient parenting, not ED.
He never even visited the country, for God’s sake! Where the hell do you get that from?
Well it said the page had been uploaded from Australia…which means he would have to have been here to do it, right?
I’m confused…
I don’t understand the hypocrisy of many of the users here. “You should respect the laws of other countries” seems to be a common thought among many Australians. I get that. The problem is that the laws here in the US are in direct contradiction with the laws there. So who’s laws get respected? Do we respect your laws and take down content? Or do you respect our laws and allow us to leave it up?
“My right to swing my fist ends at your nose” comes to mind here. Yeah, I’ve the right to post what I want. But when it interferes with your rights then we have a problem. However, you have the right to not see this content. That interferes with my right to post it. Whose rights are more important? I say neither. However, in this circumstance you also have the ability NOT to view the site in general. I know we have the ability not to post it, but there’s a lot of material in the world I choose not to look at. I wouldn’t for a second try to stop people from posting the things they want, regardless of how I felt.
I guess it’s the arrogant American in me, but I am a proud supporter of free speech. I believe if a person is racist (clearly these people are satirical), then they should have the right to post these things on a site that is privately owned. I don’t choose to agree with them, because I’m not a racist. I would not take that right from them, though. “I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it.” -Voltaire-
Too many quotes in this comment.
Where the hell does it say that it was uploaded from inside of Australia? Are you sure you didn’t misread it, and it said it LOADED in Australia, where you, your computer, and your ISP are located?
I have no idea how law works, so this is complete guesswork, but anyhow.
ED, and by extension all its subpages, is based in the USA. Therefore, anything and everything in regards to it should be subject to US law, NOT ours.
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It is even more simplier:
DONT GO TO ED AND READ THE F*CKING ARCTICLES!!!
If you’re offended visit the ED:Sorry page:
http://www.encyclopediadramatica.com/Offended
The US should start to jail Australians for braking US law if they want to play it this way.
It said that the racist thing was uploaded in Australia. Uploading is different from downloading. In order to have uploaded the material in Australia, he would have been a person who just happened to be a US citizen putting racist material onto the sight IN Australia…which is a major difference from not being there and doing it.
UPLOADING in Australia to an American website=
If he was in Australia (as said) and committed the crime then it’s perfectly legal for him to be charged because he broke the law, as much as if someone from Australia were caught uploading illegal material to a US site. Which would make Australia not at fault of enforcing any laws on the rest of the world…just on people in Australia…
The problem is he didn’t know he was doing anything illegal, which shows that people aren’t being well enough informed. With the vast number of people coming to Australia from different countries who haven’t been to high school to learn about these things, he shouldn’t be put in the situation where he broke a crime (with some very serious potential monetary consequences) without knowing it. I think a major issue here is that people aren’t being informed very well. It’s happened to people in Australia before who haven’t learned about the law and have received chances. If some Australians don’t even know, then how is someone who isn’t from Australia supposed to know?
He should receive a chance too!
UPLOADING in America to an American website=
If he was in America and committed the crime (that isn’t illegal in the US) then I can’t see how he could be charged…that’s just ridiculous. Even if it’s something much more serious, like paedophile material, if it’s in a different country then there’s nothing the Australian Government can do about it other than block the page!
…do you even know how a wiki works?
I can grasp the concept that it’s supposed to be a satire based site, but satire isn’t known for being a pleasant form of humour and can be really horrible. I’d rather know how the law works than how one website operates…I don’t know who uses this site anyway…everyone uses Facebook!
I understand how uploading works!
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Oh my, please tell me you’re an epic troll, because I don’t think anyone can be THIS dimwitted.
Like you who doesn’t understand how the law works in your own country?
1. From 1996 onwards Mrs Olga Scully and I have been fighting this mindset that has condemned you when it was called Human Rights and Equal Opportunity Commission.
2. The current president of the Human Rights Commission, Catherine Branson, summarily condemned me while a judge at the Federal Court of Australia, which resulted in my spending 3 months in prison last year.
3. Like the HREOC commissioner before her, she colluded with Zionists and refused to consider Dr Joel Hayward’s MA thesis that I had submitted before HREOC and the FCA as evidence that Holocaust Revisionism is a matter of academic importance.
4. Unfortunately my appeal before the FCA failed and now I lack the money to take the matter to the High Court where the matter needs to be litigated – something that would also assit you in your matter.
Cheers from Fredrick Toben
toben@toben.biz
I flat-out admitted that I was doing guesswork; you actually don’t seem to have a clue what you’re saying.
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So in Australia in 2001, the third season of The Micallef Pogram (on the federally funded ABC no less) opened the season with an episode containing this sketch – http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ir-CGQGOtbY
It’s about a nazi war criminal kayaking off a building on a dare.
The sketch finishes with Wayne Hope saying “They really are a superior race.”
So we are a-ok with our own government owned and approved TV calling Nazis the superior race, potentially bringing hundreds of jewish grandmas to tears, but an american owned, american run website of collaboration can’t say anything nasty about aborigines without shitting our collective pants?
Why? Because its a joke right? It sure is.
Dear ED sysops, please loop a 5 second laugh track and make it play automatically on opening the abbo page so the catalogue of fuckwits gets the point.
I know what I’m saying. From what I’ve read there was a guy. He came to Australia. He was American. He uploaded some racist material that he thought was funny. He broke the Australian law. What he uploaded obviously wasn’t funny because some of the people he ridiculed were upset by it. They complained to Human Rights Commission. The Human Rights Commission sent him a warning that what he was doing was illegal. He didn’t know which was fair enough. He could have been mature and replied back to Human Rights Commission and said that he didn’t know and appologized quietly and taken the illegal page down.
What really annoys me is that the warning gets put up along with the assertion that American laws should be implemented in Australia (we are a separate country and should be able to decide our own laws thank you very much). People on the website get confused by it and think that Australia is trying to implement Australian laws on the rest of the world.
It leads to a slur of confused racist comments from Aboriginal Australians, Australians and Americans, which also puts down China (for censorship laws). Which leads me to think even stronger than before that people shouldn’t put racist humour on the internet!
That’s my perception of what happened!
You have family in Sydney? Does this mean that you are secretly half Abbo?
By the way – did you realise that the username “Jevers” looks a bit like “Jewess”?
OK…frankly i couldn’t be bothered to read EVRY SINGLE post here….it is all just a huge mess of flaming, mudslinging and insulting tossed fore and back. Freedom of speech IS important and is one of the fundamental requirements for any country to be considered even halfway free…however there are too many who abuse that freedom, as they abuse any little bit of freedom, go excessively over the top and ruin it all for all those who truely just wish to live in peace and freedom.
All those slogans and propaganda are being used and abused by those who are the least deservant of them:
Child Protection….laws serve only one purpose, to make sure that our kids grow up without learning the concept of consequence, discipline, repsect or manners and suddenly hit adult age and know feck about how to behave in a hostile adult world.
Freedom of Specch…..is only demanded and insisted on by those who intend to abuse it by shouting out discriminative and hateful or insulting paroles….yes, I too am discriminative at times, but I accept being bitchslapped for dirty talk and don’t run crying to my lawer because some over sensitive idiot took it personal…
Human Rights…..used primely by criminals to reduce or avoid their due punnishment…btw…Humand Rights were originally invented for no other purpose than to pass death sentence onto the top politicians of germany after the second world war….and now racist-sexistic homocidal pedophile rapists use the Human Rights to avoid the chair, to get only 2 years in a minimum security mental health institute instead of the rightful punishment they are due…a slow and painful death….
Yes, truely, our laws have been created firstmost to protect criminals, after all they have been made by criminals.
As to if a site should be banned? NO! Why should it? if you don’t like what’s on it. don’t click the link or if you already clicked it, there is an X on the corner of your window that will free you from the defaming and insulting writing which you have willingly downloaded.
As one of the very few intelligent Americans, Benjamin Franklin, once said: Banks are a greater threat to a Nation than any terrorist….he specificly said banks because in his times Accountances were only doing accountance work and left the decission making to those who actually are qualified to make decissions…and do-gooders are messing everything up because they are only happy if they can complain and don’t give a toss about long-term consequnces….if those had existed in Franklin’s times, he would have defined banks AND accountances AND do-gooders as a nations greatest possible threat…Money has on its own already enough power and should not be permitted any political power.
If you want this world to be freer, fairer and better, stop trying to do good things and stop complaining and only demand of yourself, nobody else, to live as you deem right.
If you ask me how to make the world a better and freer place in which Justice is what is was meant to be…compassionate to the victims and merciless to the criminals – not other way round as it is nowadays…..I would get rid of Human Rights since criminals are the only ones proffitting from them; get rid of Gender Equality since it is fact that WOMEN ARE NOT MEN, and to treat them as men or anything other which they are not is an insult against women; get rid of Equallity, since the only ones who need equality are those who are inferior and it is used to drag down those whoa re superior in skill, intellect and virtue (or anything else of value), yes equal rights activist purposfully aim for a mediocre sociaty in which the very thing which permitted homo sapiens to survive long enough to learn upright walking would be outlawed; reinstigate slavery, since there are people who are unable or unwilling to take responsibility for their own actions and decissions and thus are unfit for making any decissions at all, not able to survive in freedom and need for their own protection and protection of the general public to be kept under direct and absolute control; And lastly…do away with democracy….or if you want democracy make it democracy, not some pseudo-democratic dictatorship which keeps everybody mindless and mentally enslaved by a delusional fantasy of freedom which in the way it is propagated would, if it really existed, lead mankind into its own extinction.
Yours truely…
PS…..
in what kind of world do you wish to live?
a) Be pathetic and do as you’re told, the whining of others will set your limits.
or
b)Be virtuous and do as you wish, the skills of those who oppose you will set your limits.
I live in world b…feel free to visit me anytime you like..
Yours Truely…
If you’d have complained about the TV network, then yeah, something would happen there too. The police don’t usually react on these kind of things unless someone actually complains!
How do you know that people weren’t punished for it?
The TV station could’ve afforded to pay a big fine…(with tax payer’s money). The Chaser’s have been taken to court for their “comedic” stunts before…
If you don’t agree with the law then you can send in a petition letter, you know. But, I don’t know anyone in real life who actually agrees with Hate Speech…so it might be difficult finding support…
Since the concern seems to be what is or is not considered ’satire’, I propose that Australia create an auxiliary judicial body whose sole purpose is to define what is legally funny and/or witty. “The Ministry of Humor,” or some such.
It would be chaired by a single, highly qualified humor expert. This way, Australians need not worry about their idea of what is funny conflicting with anyone else’s — they can have someone make that judgement call for them, thereby removing any confusion or possible hurt feelings, and differentiating legitimate humor craftspeople from real thought criminals.
I would like to nominate buc11t for the aforesaid position of Supreme Magistrate of Humor.
“I know what I’m saying. From what I’ve read there was a guy. He came to Australia. He was American. He uploaded some racist material that he thought was funny. He broke the Australian law. What he uploaded obviously wasn’t funny because some of the people he ridiculed were upset by it. They complained to Human Rights Commission. The Human Rights Commission sent him a warning that what he was doing was illegal. He didn’t know which was fair enough. He could have been mature and replied back to Human Rights Commission and said that he didn’t know and appologized quietly and taken the illegal page down.”
The very IDEA of a wiki is that ANYONE, from ALL OVER THE WORLD, can edit it! I haven’t gone through the edit history yet, but I doubt he went anywhere near the article! God, now you’re just pulling stuff out of nowhere.
I’ve said this once, I’ll say so again; we ED editors come from all walks of life. All races, all religions, people with mental illnesses, etc. Hell, I’m half-Asian/half-European!
I suspect people are crying foul because there IS truth to the article (ALL ED articles have a modicum of truth to them, no matter how altered), a truth you try to deny because it’s a splurge on your “perfect” history.
The site has been online for FIVE years now, there is absolutely ZERO reason why it should be censored, except to appease a bunch of “moral guardians” who know bullshit about how the internet works. There is NO reason why he should apologize – no reason why ANYONE should apologize – he’s not personally responsible for what goes up, it’s a group project.
If he Uploaded IN Australia like it says that he did, then it means he was IN AUSTRALIA AT THE TIME. Did you even read what I wrote?!
If he was IN AUSTRALIA at the time it means he can perfectly legally be charged under Australian law!
Perhaps he uploaded in Australia when he was visiting his family, but the complaints were made after he’d already returned back to America…because that would make complete sense!
The thing is it doesn’t matter whether he is American or even European Asian Australian. That isn’t relevant!
Since it was uploaded in Australia it means he can be charged under Australian law because he broke Australian law. In a similar way, if an Australian went to the US and uploaded paedophilia material onto this website, then they would be charged under American law!
That sounds fair enough to me!
It doesn’t matter if this site was Neopets. If someone uploaded illegal stuff onto Neopets in Australia and the website owner didn’t take it down after some complaints and a warning from the Government, then there’s a chance that Neopets could be blocked too!
I’m not sure that you can upload obscene material onto Neopets, but do you get the idea?!
I thought. That. I was. Clear enough. Before.
If you want to keep your site, then I’d suggest you ask the site owner or whoever can take the page down to take the page down or petition. Because there’s a chance that the whole silly site is going to be blocked over one stupid article.
People in Australia who download illegal content can be charged from a legal perspective. So, I’d rather the page get blocked then be charged for accessing illegal content by accident!
For the most part I’m going to just leave this to Hyperion since he’s fairly bright and not posting about shit he knows nothing about. However:
“What really annoys me is that the warning gets put up along with the assertion that American laws should be implemented in Australia (we are a separate country and should be able to decide our own laws thank you very much). People on the website get confused by it and think that Australia is trying to implement Australian laws on the rest of the world.
It leads to a slur of confused racist comments from Aboriginal Australians, Australians and Americans, which also puts down China (for censorship laws). Which leads me to think even stronger than before that people shouldn’t put racist humour on the internet!
That’s my perception of what happened!”
Foremost is the fact that websites are controlled under the legal jurisdiction of the geographical location in which their servers are located. Since in the case of ED this is the USA, ED is held responsible under US law.
Secondly is the fact that as a US citizen, Mr Evers has the legal rights afforded to US citizens anywhere in the world recognized by his government – hence why the US constitution forbids extradition of US citizens for trial in foreign countries, or why non-US citizens were allowed to be held outside of the USA in Guantanamo. Had they been either in US territory or US citizens Guantanamo could not have existed.
China (along with Sweden and amusingly Canada) hosts many pirate sites. You can’t be much freer than a pirate.
For the most part, I think a lot of people are getting overtly hurt over what is a trivial issue. Satire is often offensive, but in being satire it is offence laced with truth. Australia is a fairly racist country, much like the UK. I would say that actually Oz is less racist towards Aboriginals than Muslims yet the basic national identity is Caucasian of European descent. White people are inherently racist. But then so are black people. Or Asians. Or Brits, or Americans or any nation you care to mention. I could claim that anyone citing American social superiority as a reason for discrediting the opinion of a USAmerican would be basing their opinion on racial characteristics. Ie Racism.
ED is not racist since it doesn’t single out aboriginal people any more than it singles out black people, white people, jews or christians. It’s egalitarian in that it will undoubtedly insult certain subsections of all areas of society.
And the rest of us will laugh at their bluster.
He did NOT touch the page ONCE. He is NOT responsible for what actually happens on the site, merely its financial aspects. Did you actually read what I said?
“People in Australia who download illegal content can be charged from a legal perspective. So, I’d rather the page get blocked then be charged for accessing illegal content by accident!”
Then don’t visit the site at all! Such a brilliant solution! No way in hell am I going against a site that I contribute to. And the page is perfectly legal; why should it be removed because of a bunch of spineless gobs?
I think you’re taking this far too personally.
If he uploaded the page like it says that he did it means that he put the page up onto the website…which means yes, he did touch it!
How can I say this any clearer?!
What the hell? He did NOT create the page, a user called Hoveround did. Again, you seem to have no idea how a wiki WORKS.
Oh, and by the way, said page is nearly three years old, and the rest of the site is just past five years old, and NO-ONE else – that I know of – has attempted to sue the site in a serious matter.
I’m extremely tempted to believe this is attempt at censorship is purely political bullshit, rather than anything actually useful.
Then he must be the user called Hoveround, otherwise how else did he upload the material?!
Oh my gosh. You can create two accounts…It’s not rocket science!
If you broke into someone’s house three years ago and stole all their money you would still be charged with breaking and entering if found guilty!
So long as the law was in effect three years ago then he is guilty of committing a crime.!
Maybe it’s partly a political thing, but I think the laws stop certian hate group “freedom speech lovers” such as the KKK from operating legally in Australia. Currently, Indian people in Melbourne are being targeted in murder crimes. A young boy died because of it!
Think of the riots that would start if an Australian published a racist Indian “funny” thing onto this site!
“Then he must be the user called Hoveround, otherwise how else did he upload the material?!
Oh my gosh. You can create two accounts…It’s not rocket science!”
AHAHAHAHA
Please, you must be an epic troll, or else just full of shit. JEvers would have SAID SO if he were said user.
Again, we ED editors come from ALL walks of life. Most of us have an extremely crude sense of humor, but we don’t genuinely BELIEVE what’s written there – the ones suspected of being actual racists/hatemongers/etc. are immediately kicked off, and mocked as well. You ever heard of Stormfront? Huge Neo-Nazi site? Yeah, that’s mocked mercilessly.
“Currently, Indian people in Melbourne are being targeted in murder crimes. A young boy died because of it!
Think of the riots that would start if an Australian published a racist Indian “funny” thing onto this site!”
And there is ZERO indication to believe they got it off ED; those people were simply messed up in the head from the start. Honestly, it all comes down to common sense, something our government is sorely lacking in.
Ban *.au, problem solved
Also, any dirty Aussie foreigners visiting the USA should learn to speak English not Australian.
“Don’t go to Russia and criticise Stalin.”
Congratulations on trading even the most baseline level of political freedom so totalitarian assholes won’t have their feelings hurt.
You lose the internet forever. Enjoy your Purges and Gulags.
AHAHAHA Maybe JEvers is lying to you?
Oh my gosh. Shock. Horror. A guy on an internet page that supports “lampooning the death of…[a] schoolgirl” and allows racist material on his website couldn’t possibly do that!
Seriously, you’d trust someone like that over your own Government?
How clever!
About as clever as the humour on this website (T.T)*
Seriously, dude, you need to get off the computer and learn a bit more about your own country. For a start, visit a couple or Aboriginal communities, talk to people from all walks of life, learn more about the law, get out there, even visiting another country with a completely different culture for just a year will help you to understand why the social system in Australia is the way it is.
Every country has it’s own special culture and differences. It means if you want to move to a different country for a different way of live or experience something different you can. If every country were like America then the world would have a lot less depth than it does with the huge kaleidoscope of cultures, languages and laws that exist today. I think America would be a very cool place, but I like my own country to be my own country. If you go to Australia you should respect Australian laws and culture, if you go to America you should respect American laws and culture, if you go to Indonesia you should respect Indonesian laws and culture, if you go to Uzbekistan you should respect Uzbekistan’s laws and culture!
It’s called being peaceful and not trying to be controversial and start conflicts over stupid things!
Criticise Stalin in your own country if that’s fine with your laws and whatever, but don’t impose your beliefs on a different country unless you decide to become a Russian Citizen is what I mean. I had a host Mum from Ukraine that said one of the great things that happened to Ukraine was that Stalin made it universal for everyone to speak Russian. My cousin’s Grandma, also from Ukraine, thinks it was the worst thing that ever happened in history. There’s nothing more annoying then a tourist who doesn’t understand what’s going on, telling people what their culture and laws should be like!
Oh. My. God.
You ARE that dimwitted. You have completely missed the point of this site, haven’t you?
There’s just no use getting into a circular argument with someone who somehow believes the site is a personal attack on themselves.
If you actually read the site – which I know you won’t – you’d at least see where I’m coming from. But you’re not going to listen to anyone not yourself, so…
No, wait. You’re secretly a government worker, are you?
Oh, by the way, yes, in real life, I DO respect culture, but in all honesty, it doesn’t get my personal interest.
Just because I understand the laws of my own country doesn’t mean that I’m a secret Government worker, which I’m not ^_^`
You come across as a High School-er, just before senior school age-ish to me. Scrap that, most High School Student’s are probably more mature and know more about how the law works.
Are you a High School student?
I can’t believe you know more about a silly website then the law…
So, what you’re trying to say is free speech totally applied is it’s a racist joke, but it doesn’t apply when someone disagrees with someone else breaking the laws of their own country (when that happens, it’s a personal attack)?
If you aren’t racist then why do you support racist material?
How can you possibly say someone definitely isn’t racist if they’ve submitted something that is racist to a website?!
@ Australian, I don’t know bout you but I think you should read laws of other countries before going into conclusion. With gov, I myself would partly trust government and be weary about it at the same time as governments of the past like Stalin, Nero and others tried to screw the people over (political correctness can lead to genocide).
oh I forgot one more thing, there are university students and higher education as well writing on this site.
also listen to Hyperion, because really all opinions (and advice) need to be taken in (and you still don’t understand what satire is).
@Lord Higgins the 3rd, I must agree on how transnational issues especially the law from two countries are often conflicting. It’ll only halt the progress of the justice systems, heck the united nations, European union and such alliances are ineffective in implementing their own laws to the absolute as each country has its own values, beliefs and laws.
Dow Jones & Co Inc v Gutnick
This is a bullshit precedent that doesnt apply to your case.
The only reason this worked is because five copies of the print edition were sent from New Jersey to be circulated in Australia.
Therefore it was an article published in Australia hence they had jurisdiction.
Aslong as you dont publish the aboriginal article in australia you have no problem, they are just trying to scare you into submission, this is a common tactic.
I have lived in another country before as the only foreign high school student as what would constitute to be a state in that country. I’ve experience Gang Stalking before (that doesn’t mean being stalked by a gang).
All of forms of my contact were monitored, including telephone conversations and emails. My luggage and personal items were thoroughly searched through on a daily basis, including even the period bin (T.T)
I received harassment from a high school teacher and other scary things. This is in a country that supposedly has no censorship. I don’t think Australian censorship is that strict. Kids in high school could hack through the state censorship made for high school students, for crying out loud.
I’ve experienced racism and I understand that humour is a big thing that has the huge potential to inflame the social situation. Perhaps I understand the effect of satire humour more than you do!
I wasn’t the only person that experienced Gang Stalking in that country. How is it that teenage students can get through being stalked (for being a foreigner) and still be polite, calm, respectful and adaptive to another culture whilst being illegally filtered, when some adults can’t even respect the actual laws of another country and apologise?
Instead, trying to dictate that their own laws should be used in that country…how selfish…
I learned how to think about the monitoring in a different way, put up with the the stuff, was humble and made some really great friends and experiences out of something that could have been only a negative experience. I also discovered a completely different way of life, which helped me to really develop as a human being. The longer I stayed the more things I began to make sense of and to accept. I came to really admire the culture, language and people of that country. There were some really great things there that didn’t exist in my own country. There were some really great things in my own country that didn’t exist there. I’ve come to love that country just as much as my own country, but I prefer them to be two separate countries. It gives me a choice of two really different life styles and two completely different cultures.
I can sympathise with the guy because it must be scary to accidentally gain notoriety. However, I understand that when you go to another country, really, you’re like a visitor in someone else’s house. Unless you want to be kicked out, it’s best to cause as little disturbances as possible and to follow the house rules. Besides, there’s actually a reason why laws and culture operate the way they do!
But, in order to understand why you have to get off the computer and be open to it!
@Australian – For you to say that and still be missing the point is hilarious.
“…don’t impose your beliefs on a different country unless you decide to become a Russian Citizen”
Yeah, because simply stating ones views on the internet is imposing ones views. Imperialist pigdog!
Even that journalist-murdering asshole Putin doesn’t impose mandatory internet filtering, or directly censor criticism of Stalin. Congratulations on out-totalitarian-ing the fucking KGB.
By the way, people contributing to this article are either Australian citizens or not located in Australia. Nobody moved to Australia just to contribute to a wiki, dumbass.
“How is it that teenage students can get through being stalked (for being a foreigner) and still be polite, calm, respectful and adaptive to another culture whilst being illegally filtered, when some adults can’t even respect the actual laws of another country and apologise?
Instead, trying to dictate that their own laws should be used in that country…how selfish…”
Agreed completely. It’s ridiculous how some Australians are unwilling to accept that American free speech law does not have an exception for “but I was really offended!”
SHUT UP!
@Hyperion: Ignore ‘Australian,’ it’s clearly a troll, a real person would have understood what a wiki is by now.
@’Australian:’ What you’re trolling is equivalent to saying that if someone swears, we should tape their mouths shut, not just wash it out with soap.
@All the rest of you:Before saying ANYTHING, know who’s for this, against this, and trolling, because you’re doing nothing but making a nice troll buffet.
“You come across as a High School-er, just before senior school age-ish to me. Scrap that, most High School Student’s are probably more mature and know more about how the law works.
Are you a High School student?
I can’t believe you know more about a silly website then the law…”
Yes, I am a high school student, I willingly admit that. Do not DARE attack me based on my age; would you prefer it if I claimed you were a pre-teen for not supporting you?
I had previously flat-out admitted that I know nothing about law – I’m not interested in it. I’m interested in history, which ED provides by the dozen, and a major reason why I’m defending it.
“@Hyperion: Ignore ‘Australian,’ it’s clearly a troll, a real person would have understood what a wiki is by now.”
I suspect that, but to be honest, that’s giving him some credit.
I knew it!
I suspected it because I know what it’s like to be a High School student. You sound just like one of my friends of my little brother before they hit senior high school. Both have changed now and actually get annoyed by these kind of sites…
When you get to year 12 you’ll learn about the laws and probably be given a book that explains what laws are what, where to call if you have legal problems ect and things will be explained to you more clearly…depending on the state or territory you live in, I guess…
The police man in my high school explained this law very clearly and explained why the law operates the way it does!
He explained how humour can be taken in different ways, how sometimes he’s had to ask people to remove things that he’d found funny, but that it’s a subjective thing and can be hurtful, and about some serious negative side effects of put down humour on people.
You’re called a teenager because you’re not quite an adult yet. You can have an opinion, but can’t vote until you turn 18 because it’s considered that people below 18 generally aren’t mature enough to understand the laws yet and make a serious decision. I know that everyone in my grade definitely didn’t know enough about laws and weren’t mature enough to make a serious vote before I was in my Senior Year (and there were over 2000 kids who went to my high school). Everyone I talk to say that when they were a teenager they thought they were grown up and knew everything, but now it’s really strange that they see someone more like a child instead. Keep an open mind to the fact that as you become older, yes, it’s completely healthy for your perspective of life to change.
The class clown, someone who seemed like a healthy, intelligent guy who often said funny things with a nasty undertone, he didn’t change. He became something like a suburban hermit. His friends can be at his house for up to two hours, in the same room as him, say “Hi” and it can take him that long to notice that they’re there. He watches porn all day and amuses himself with silly websites. His family’s really worried about him. It’s actually really sad. True story.
I’m not a him and I’m not Gay and I haven’t lived in Russia or Ukraine. But, I’ve met people from almost every country in the world, including Uzbekistan. Yesterday my hair dresser was from Israel. So, I asker her what she said it’s like to live in Israel?
She said that there’s a lot of wars that go on there, but that her country is so beautiful and she loves it. I’ve listened to someone from South Africa and Ethiopia cheerfully discuss what the wonderful things about their home countries with each other. I’ve met someone from Kenya whom people thought they were saving by educating her in a very rich and democratic country. Of course, she still loved her home country far better. What I’ve learned is your home is your home. Everyone loves their home.
For a democracy to actually run, which the US is in favour of ?, you have to leave the laws up to the people who live in that country. If it was decided by America that the law in Australia should be changed because it’s different from American law and because one American individual didn’t respect and follow Australian laws, that would be a huge form of opposing beliefs on a different country. It could also be a form of Dictatorship, is what I’m saying…
Haha. Of course “you’re not an adult so your opinion doesn’t count!”
Really, it makes you look incredibly stupid and intolerant; I wonder who the hypocrite is now?
I don’t know how old you are, and honestly didn’t care until you decided to make a personal offense against me. So: how old are you, and why are you acting like a pre-teen?
Oh, and sweets, I don’t think negatively of any culture, despite my sense of humor. I don’t think bad of ANYONE unless it’s personal – that goes beyond one’s culture, orientation, or whatever.
You’re the one who said your not an adult so your opinion doesn’t count. If you feel that way, then don’t have an opinion. Be quiet. Simple. That’s your choice. But, obviously there’s not enough people over 18 that think that they were mature enough before then to understand laws or you would be allowed to vote!
If you think it’s bad to aim things personally at people than stop calling them trolls and telling them they don’t understand what Satire is because they disagree with a racist and illegal thing on the website that you like. Stand by your beliefs!
As for Satire Humour, I’ve studied it in English Class, Media Studies Class and Modern History Class before graduation. I’ve studied how funny racist comics have been used to oppress people. I’ve heard police talking about it. I know it was used in Australia a very long time ago as a way to put down and oppress people and obviously people were against it, because the laws were changed!
I’ve experienced racist humour in a different country on tv, which put down foreigners. Maybe there’s the possibility that I understand what Satire humour is and understand what the effects it
are. Maybe you haven’t experienced the effects of what you think is funny can do to other people?
I’m not a pre teen, but have lived longer; thus, have had the opportunity to experience more things. My Grandma has experienced more things than I have.
Oh yeah, and in Psychology Classes too!
That I’m younger than you are does not make my opinion invalid; did you happen to have such a bad experience with unruly kids that you lost all faith in them just because of a tiny minority?
Older people generally DO listen to younger people, because we also have qualities they don’t. Otherwise parents, teachers, employers etc. wouldn’t get anywhere. Don’t try and pull the “experience” card on me, that’s not all of it.
What ED has does NOT represent the users’ personal beliefs, if you actually read some userpages, you’d understand that.
Stop being a hypocrite and actually read my comments, else you look foolish.
No, I became an adult.
I’ll try and explain it a little clearer…
When you talk to most five year olds, I’d assume you’d repect and listen to what they say. But, you might also keep in mind that there’s some experiences that they won’t understand or, according to own values, shouldn’t understand because they’re very young!
..Such as having experienced having sex. If a five year old in Australia seriously told you that they’d had sex with an adult…would you be okay with it?
I know I’d definitely be very distressed and completely not okay with it!
When you get older you’ll probably see things from a similar perspective about teenagers…but, since it’s something you haven’t experienced yet…how can I expect you to understand what I’m saying?!
Racist things come down to a personal attack on the individual because they pick on the identity of the individual, something that can be very difficult for the individual to change.
Stupid Australian, How can you call this place a democratic country! First of all they force you to vote!
Second of all because the majority of the country is full of pin heads they donkey vote. About 10% of the country votes 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6 so whoever is on top of the ballet gets 10% of the vote on average.
Third the government can and does sell the land from right under you to some mining company. That should never happen in any free country.
Forth you’re like the only country in the world to have the prices sky rocket in a recession and not only do they go up but it is all way above inflation.
Fifth There are a lot of problems in Australia way more than the media talks about but of course you pinhead just blame it on America but you people are just going to get worse because you have no subjective thinking you cannot see that you people are the problem. Also you are pretty much all brainwashed into the way you think by, your schools, your families and the media. You have no idea about freedom or other facts.
Education? They have University lectures in Australia that haven’t even done a degree they think experience is more important than education. That maybe so however in the business world Australia pretty much has no competition that’s why they’re successful. If you ever want to get the worse customer service, pay for overpriced products and get charge 50cents for one teaspoon ketchup!!!! (don’t get me started on their cup size too!) Just come to Australia!! So you can’t tell me these people know what they’re talking about anyone who does business like that should go under and loss everything! But they don’t because they get handout and dumbass Australians don’t care what they pay they just pay it. Stupid prideful convicts!!! (They don’t want to seem like they can’t afford it).
Also it’s hard for small businesses to start out too because of the red tape and government taxes. You pretty much have to be born rich not always but it’s a lot harder
Also you people all drink like there is no tomorrow probably because there is nothing else better for you to do plus you’re also oppressed by your communist government just gives out hand outs to lazy ass Australians who want the government to do everything for them. (On their morning shows there is always some convict Australian asking for a hand out and then the dumbass government gives it to them and that’s why you’re the highest taxed country in the world.) And also create laws which limit peoples freedom further at the expense of tax payers
Oh yeah Australia also has a supermarket that pretty much owns half the country and they raise the food prices by bullying the suppliers. This company also owns fuel stations, booze, gambling and hotels. Just to name a few things but do Australians do anything about it?? No they don’t PINHEADS!!!!
But they seem to have no problem with punishing the whole country because of a few idiots. Why? Because they don’t punish their criminals you should look at the sentences they get some murders don’t even go to jail? It is a convict country still!!!!!
Australia will never be a good country and it is perfect proof of why socialism does not work! In fact Australia is at its peak that’s right ladies and gentlemen this is as good as it gets. Australia’s Golden age! Lol Thanks to selling all the metal and resources to China! No you didn’t get it from sitting on your ass’s
Well that’s my 7 cents worth don’t bother arguing with these Australian Idiots because you’ll never win an argument against an idiot. That’s why Australia is the way it is and I also have a lot more I can say too.
Motivation is not the same as choice.
ED advocates racial hatred, yes; the spirit of the thing is unimportant. As an Australian of Asian descent, one of the most discriminated-against groups in the world, I call for ED to *further promote* racial hatred against Asians, Africans and frankly anyone who takes their fancy, in whatever spirit – satirical or even serious – because I simply believe that ED has no obligation not to. If ED were entirely a racial hate site in a totally serious spirit, I would still be one of the foremost advocates of keeping it free.
I am going to give an example. Any ethnic groups I mention should understand that I bear no ill will towards them in the least.
Assume that a man reads ED’s Aboriginal article. Assume that this leads him to decide that the Aboriginal people of Australia must die, so he proceeds to load up on illegal guns and neurotoxins, and then devastate a massive Aboriginal community in the Northern Territory. Panic and chaos ensues. Australia takes decades to recover.
Even though the fact that ED’s Aboriginal article exists may have motivated this man to drive Australia into panic and chaos, it is not the fault of ED that it’s happened. It’s not even the fault of the article writer. This is because it is *not the role of ED to anticipate how people will react to it*.
If this situation eventuates, it is because of a failure on the part of the applicable authority to properly provide psychiatric services to a man disturbed enough to commit mass murder. It is not ED’s role to moderate its content for the tiny minority of the psychologically unbalanced who may make the most horrible of decisions based on it.
ED has a chance of causing rash actions by the psychologically unbalanced. ED does not cause rash actions on the part of the well-balanced. It is governments’ responsibility to cater to the well-balanced, however much they may hate to acknowledge it.
Ha!
No country is perfect. If you don’t like it then live where you want, but stop trying to dictate how people in other countries live their lives!
Personally I like my country very, very much as it is. There are many great things, such as the average life expectancy in Australia is very, very high.
The working hours may be long, but, believe it or not, many people here are very passionate about their work and enjoy working. My Dad works for long hours, which can be challenging, but he loves his job because he believes that what he’s doing will have benefit to other people. People can make great friendships through their work and have social gatherings. My Mum also works and she loves her job. When my Mum had to come home late sometimes I would take turn with my other siblings in playing Basketball with him, reading books to him ect.
Giving back to the community and helping other people is a great feeling, and another thing I like about Australia is how people will go so out of their way to help other people!
Many people, not all, but many take their job very seriously and take pride in what they do!
People aren’t too possessive and in high school, there were many students who would break their lunch in half or buy lunch for other students who didn’t have any. They would lend most of their possessions, including stationary, help with classwork, ect , because it’s a good way of making friends and showing someone you care about them. As a child at a public primary school, generally kids swapped and shared their food around and had huge open playground and areas to play in.
The expression “it’s the thought that counts”. People are generally just as happy to receive a thoughtful drawing from a friend that has very little money, because it’s priceless, as a PSP game from a wealthy friend.
Expressions such as “there’s no use crying over spilt milk” and “there’s no use crying about it”. Wallowing in your own pity isn’t going to solve a situation. People try to be proactive and positive. “There’s no use crying over spilt milk” means that if you make a mistake then people are likely to forgive you so long as you try not to make it again. After all, after the milk has been spilt, there’s nothing more that can be done than cleaning it up and trying not to spill it again…
The expression “such is life”. This expression is for when a horrible thing has occurred that can’t be helped. Eg) if someone has lost their job because of the economic change, that person might say, “Ah well, such is life!”
It refers to the way of thinking that there are ups and downs in life and that after the down is over the person can eventually pick their life back together and it will become good again.
One cultural thing about Australia is that parents generally like their kids to be outside in the fresh air and playing with other kids because when their children reach a certain age, many parents believe that’s healthy. Hence, the common expression, “go outside and play”. Of course, it’s different in all households, but this is a common expression.
I don’t know what you’re trying to make out about Australian childhood’s, but I’ve had a really great childhood and had a really strong family bond, especially with my cousins, Aunties and Uncles, the friend’s at my baby sitter’s house and my parents. I have really wonderful memories of being a child and it’s great that I could share them with so many people that I grew up with!
I loved listening to an Aboriginal Elder telling a story about the dream time around a camp fire at the Barunga festival. The words were so soft and hypnotic to listen to. It was amazing!
I also loved learning about basket weaving, dancing and what food can be eaten as bush tucker in Primary School. Aboriginal Elders would teach these things, along with their own experiences of the Stolen Generation. But, maybe that’s just the area I lived in…either way, it was really inspiring!
The work pay for people in Australia is generally very good. For students it’s very, very good. I received over $14 an hour for an under age casual job at a caf`e. The payment reached over $20 an hour when I worked over time or on Sundays and on the days leading up to Christmas, the payment was $35 an hour. You can get paid far more than this as an under age worker, however!
The payment also goes up as someone gets older. The good payment means that it’s easier to deal with rising prices as well as do other leisurely things or buy presents for a partner or kid.
I don’t know if it’s different in different cities, but in my city it was completely acceptable to be a gay, lesbian, bisexual, asexual or straight individual. In most schools, boys and girls were able to wear a dress or pants if they wished regardless of gender. There was a cross dresser who went to my high school. He wore fake hair, breasts, went to Church. Actually his father had died when he was very young. But, anyway, people didn’t have a problem with the fact that he had chosen his own lifestyle and she was very popular because she was a nice girl?
Regardless, she stopped cross-dressing as he got older and is now bi sexual and popular.
The food!
Where I live there’s so many delicious dishes available from all over the world and restaurants specialising in particular styles. No wonder Australians are know to be so obese!
I love my country. Some things are similar or the same in other countries and some things are different and maybe difficult to understand. Other Australians will probably have different stories of how they grew up and what their culture is like. But, I think that there are many more positive things. There are some things that aren’t so wonderful. But, Australia has a life of it’s own and it’s my home. If you love America for being America then I would completely understand more than if you didn’t, but I don’t want my country to be like America. I want it to be like my country!
The fact that the law and culture is different is a good thing because it makes the world more diverse!
Would you want America to be like Australia?
I don’t think so!
They are two different countries and that’s what makes them great! ^_^
Dude I am from Australia! I’ve lived here for 26 years and after 6 months in America (in a reccession) I still know it’s way better in australia!
The pay in Australia in crap if you are skilled because the spread the wealth around smart people hardly make more. I am doing IT programming here and I am only getting $25 an hour. in America I’d get $100,000 plus a year.
Also in Australia the cost of live is 3 to 4 times more than in America so $14 an hour is more like $4.
I know a lot of Australians that have died of cancer also if you know a lot about Aboriginals they have a very low life expectence? Which your Government even with all it’s handout and left wing policies can not stop.
Perhaps one day you will learn the true about Australia. I wish I was dumb enough to love it like you but this place is hell and I don’t know these people you speak of I only see evil in their hearts.
One day if you
Yeah they do and if people were more supportive instead of published racist rubbish and making things worst then maybe Australia might have the highest life expectancy in the world?!
If you like America so much, then live in America. If you came from a minority Ethnic group in America, was gay, non religious, not America and a woman then I imagine you’d find life a lot harder. At least the less wealthy in Australia get paid well!
You can go to University, study in a particular field and make a lot of money here too!
I know some people who’ve been to America and had a great time and I’ve met some people who’ve been there and rather not go there ever again (not an Australian btw)!
I’ve met an American that said he prefers Australia to his own home, which confused me. But, it’s the fact that there’s the choice to live how and where you want, it’s not enforced upon you!
Good for you, you had a great time…live there!
That’s your choice!
@Australian: You seem to be confused about something, and reading through the comments I see that nobody explained it to you. ED is a wiki. Anyone can edit it. That means that in all probability, JEvers did not write the article.
I’m not sure why you’re clinging to the idea that he wrote it. Is it so you can denounce him as a racist and ignore his entirely prescient points on the matter?
As for your treatment of Hyperion, frankly, he could be twelve years old for all I care – his ideas and points are still far more intelligent and well-reasoned than yours.
The very idea that some government commission is capable of determining what is okay to say and what is not is preposterous. We can see that from China. Mentioning Tienanmen square there is against the law. Advocating Tibetan independence is illegal as well. If you posted something about Tibetan independence on a website you own, that happens to be visited by Chinese citizens living in China, would you think it reasonable to be prosecuted for that? Their government considers it just as bad to do that as yours does to insult Aboriginals (who I’m sure are fine people, but still don’t care about). So by your logic, and the Australian courts’, you would be liable in Chinese court. I’m sure you’d be up in arms if that happened – but it won’t, never fear!
In any case, it seems to me that the Australian government is intent upon pushing its morality upon the rest of the world. Fortunately, here in the United States, we have true freedom of speech. Some in other countries may not understand, so I’ll make this clear with an example.
I’m Jewish. I’m proud of my religion and heritage. There are a lot of anti-semites out there, and they sicken me, they really do. But if the federal government ever tries to suppress the ability of the KKK or any neo-nazi hate group to march, I will be on the streets next to them fighting for their right to do so. And when they get that right, I will be on the streets near them, in all likelihood screaming obscenities at them and counter-protesting. Because freedom of speech is bigger than the question of whether something is right, or nice, or anything else.
Dude if I had a choice I would have never cameback to Australia.
By the way I am a minority in Australia too but I wouldn’t be in America.
Good for you!
You earn $100 000 a year, why can’t you just live there?
Anyway, you can make more money than you make in American for just getting a top position working at Woolsworth and a career in advertising pays a fortune. Most people here don’t work for the money, however. They work for the money and because they believe in doing the job that they’re doing.
Eg) Fire-fighters, being a Nurse, Doctor, Teacher ect.
I had a sleep over party with my friend, in a multi millionaire’s house who made their money from selling used TVs.
How are you a minority here?
Please explain, because 70% of the people I’m living with at the moment aren’t from Australia.
The guy I’ve met from America has been living here for over three years and likes Australia better. He has a really cute sense of humour and is a very nice guy, but he’s gay and from what I’ve heard from every single American person I’ve talked to without even asking: religion is a much bigger deal in America. Why does it get brought up into conversation so much?
The girl who went to America was Buddhist and a minority and found it very difficult that Christianity was forced upon her in high school…yeah, that’s what she said…she was forced to pray and read the bible and study Christianity and stuff. Is that normal?
Because it definitely wasn’t normal in my high school here!
But, of course, she was very polite and did what she was told and didn’t cause a drama as people from her country generally behave very courteously.
Genetically, one person from far back on my ancestor-age tree apparently came from America. So what?
I don’t care!
There are probably some really cool things about America, but that doesn’t make it a better country than Australia that should dictate rules. Australia’s my home so I will love Australia more, simply for that reason. I’m entitled to love my own country, stupid!
[buc11t]
Well buc11t I find your post, and the attitude of your government offensive. Do I get to sue you now? Of course you could always “remove your post and apologise” – it’s not hard, is it?
On a more serious note: While I like the idea of fighting fire with fire, and agree with you that the USA is hardly a great nation to be harping on about individual freedoms while practicing restriction of those same freedoms on people who don’t belong to the USA, I don’t think you’re making a good case for Oz by saying that practicing restriction of freedoms on non-nationals is OK because the USA does it. To quote a British mother’s proverb: If your friend jumped under a bus, would you do it too? No? Well maybe it wasn’t such a great idea, huh?
Besides, how does intelligence entitle someone to earn more money?
Someone with an IQ deemed lower may work just as hard (eg. in a job requiring hard labour) and aren’t they entitled to be payed well too?
The internet is an AMERICAN computer network. Built for AMERICANS by AMERICANS. The internet is America’s gift to the world so Australia had better quit whining about it, or else cut your country off and go back to dial up BBS.
The Aboriginal article was obviously written by an Australian because the rest of the world has never heard of “abos”.
OK….
Lets talk a few facts
1:
EVERYTHING funny, every joke, every satire, everything worth laughing about, every jest worth telling, is either racist, amoral, disgusting, insulting, offensive, mean, unfair or several of above mentioned at once.
2:
Racism is a natural biological function. It ensure that humans don’t mate with camels, that dogs don’t mate with penguins and pigeons don’t mate with carps….i am racist and sexist and proud of it, I would never even attempt to reproduce with anything other than a female human.
3:
If you want to insist that somebody learns English, then you should sugest the Oxford dictionary…American DO NOT speak English, they speak American.
4:
This wiki does not discriminate, it insults EVERYBODY UNDISCRIMINATELY, and that is precisely how satire works, by being mean and hurtful, by making fun about reality and slinging the mud back into the clean faces of sociaty….What do you think made the old fashioned clown so populare? because they pantomimely described reality adn everybody laughing laughed because they have seen the sad truth about their own pathetic and foolish existance.
5:
America is the last nation that may insist that nobody forces their own culture onto other countries. The entire American governemtn is based on precisely that philosophy: Force the world into submission to American laws (or at the least American currency) or bomb the fuck out of them.
6:
While it is true that most children have stronger limited freedoms and authorities due to statistically less experience plus less stable neurochemestry (adolesent hormonal chaos), the true real life field observations show that below 13 year olds under stand more about sociaty and poilitics than most adults who have studied politics and social sciences, most adolesents between age 15 and 24 are way more mature than most adults between age 30 and 73.
7:
Stop the fuck throwing phebephile and ephebophiles into the same pot as pedophiles or infantophiles…there is a huge difference…..furthermore, philia means a preferance above any other…pedophile is only someone who clearly unmistakably preferes prepubecent children above any other form of intimate partner, not someone who prefers pensioners and only occassionally for variation or opportunity has sex with kids or teens…and i don’;t care how the law interpretes those words, the law giver has zero know about the real world nor about linguistics.
8:
You have a brain, you have a finger, you have a mouse and you have the software….if you need a governemtn to tell you not to go onto a site that you persoanlly find insulting, then you clearly don’t know how to use the first in that list.
9:
It is impossible to do anything at all without offending somebody. Somebody will allways be there to complain, and it doesn’t matter if its because you farted too loud, not loud enough or just because you dyed your hair pink three days before you farted, somebody will always be pissed about anything you do.
And that one complaining will get what he wants because he is a nuisance and the only way to shut him up is by giving him what he wants while you, who just wants to live in peace and fart in your own bedroom, go to jail because somebody who does not throw a tantrum obviously does not need to have any rights to shut up.
Yours Truely…
PS.:
DISCLAIMER
Above is merely my own personal opinion. Any similarities to actual people or parallels to actual statements are purely non-coincidential. While my opinion truely is my opinion, the chosen wording was meant to be satieric.
If anybody takes offense of my post in whole or part, then that is most likely because it fits truely to that specific person or that person’s situation….and I shall add, I hope somebody was offended, this is satiere after all, and it would not be funny if not even one single good for nothing poor pathetic little sucker did not get upset.
Yours Truely….
PPS.:
For Your Information:
Our great globalisation project, all the permitting foreigners to imigrate into our countries and bring their family up to 6th grade, 9 times removes in 25th generation with you is causing citizens of a country to become a minority in their own country. Furthermore, the allowing the foreign imigrants to keep their culture instead of adapting to the native culture of a nation, does not bring multi-cultural joy and helps not at all to integrate other cultures, it only causes the total DISINTEGRATION of ALL involved cultures….so, for the protection of the foreign imigrant’s native culture I strongly advise him to either drop his native culture and traditions and adapt to the traditions and culture of the host country or go back home (or at the very least, learn the fucking language)….
Yours Truely….
@KangarooBalls and everyone else below
The issue here is not Australia forcing laws onto America and the world. The issue here is that an American person came into Australia, broke the law in Australia and then his site is telling people that Australia is a stupid shitty country that should have American laws. = Not Australia imposing on America, but America imposing on Australia. I’m currently arguing that Australia has a right to be it’s own country and not be taken over by American laws and culture. This is freakin ridiculous!
How many times do I have to explain this over and over and over agian?!
This American website is giving me the opinion that American’s believe that they should run the world?
For your information my Grandpa’s sister had her DNA tested after my Grandpa died and was found to most likely be of Aboriginal Tasmanian Ancestry. Which would make the chances of me also being of Tasmanian Aboriginal Ancestry very, very likely. Do a little research into what happened to the Aboriginal Tasmanian Aboriginals. I don’t think there’s a single one left on this planet. But, the actual Wikipedia doesn’t acknowledge the fact that a huge genocide and the fact that the Tasmanian Aboriginal people were transported overseas to be displayed in museums and were experimented on contributed to a massive population wipe out. I have every right to be offended. If stuff like that happened again it would put my life in jeopardy.
Moreover, I don’t receive any payments from the Government because I’ve decided not to argue it out or be documented because I don’t need the money so I don’t see the point. My parent’s earn a lot, they don’t drink, work hard and besides, some of the money is used to support a couple of different charity organisations…furthermore, how could I say that I’m at a disadvantage when I have a computer when there’s some Aboriginal kids who’s parents can’t even afford a school uniform?!
They need the money, not me!
Besides, people would think I was joking. My Grandpa had brown skin, but I get asked if I’m anaemic my skin is so pale. I don’t look Aboriginal because my ancestors have come from many different countries around the world. So, I get asked if I’m French, Spanish, if one of my parents are Japanese ect.
My Grandpa also didn’t drink or smoke or live on the streets. He was a milk farmer, very popular in his community, he worked very hard, loved his family and the animals and died very young. If anyone had of known that his ancestors were Aboriginal, he wouldn’t actually have been allowed in the town he grew up in. When people asked him he had no clue where he’d come from, so he just said he was Greek (because how could he know that he wasn’t Greek?). The laws which allowed racism were changed as more people came into Australia and disagreed with them. Funnily enough, thanks to the media in a different country I lived in, I received racism for being a Caucasian (what am I, I don’t know?). Because of humour on the tv everyone there seemed to have a very unique perception of foreigners to what I’d experienced in Australia.
I would behave very, very politely and respectfully and tried my best to adjust to the culture because it’s important to be a good Ambassador for one’s country and I didn’t want to leave a bad impression. I received some possibly illegal treatment at first. But, doing these kinds of things creates a peaceful world, I think. When you’re in a different country you should follow the laws and culture of that country. Behaving in this way allowed me to see the positives of a different way of living and to be accepted, rather than being an idiot and just criticising everything and being threatened with not being able to return to that country!
I believe that if a teenager is able to do it then someone twice their age should be able to too- unless they are a moron, which seems likely!
I’m not a fan of ED, but this is some serious bullshit. You’ve got a donation coming from me later tonight. I don’t know shit about Australian law, but you do say in your disclaimer that the views expressed on the site aren’t yours and that you take no responsibility for the site’s contents. Of course, if that didn’t occur to your lawyer already, you need a new one.
You may also want to add something to the disclaimer along the lines of “This site is only to be accessed from the United States. By accessing this site, you agree that you are located inside the US at the time of your accessing it.” Word it right and you can countersue for piracy if the Aussies try this shit again.
ITT: People use life stories in place of legal precedent and forget what they were talking about
Also, inb4 trolls trolling trolls
@Australian: Can you link to something that says the content was uploaded from Australia? This blog post doesn’t say it, the letter from the AHRC doesn’t say it, and the story on Nine MSN doesn’t say it.
“If he was in America and committed the crime (that isn’t illegal in the US) then I can’t see how he could be charged…that’s just ridiculous.”
Exactly! Dow Jones and Company Inc v Gutnick (as explained in the blog post) lets Australian law apply to the entire internet. Why they haven’t used it to do something useful like go after child pornography sites is beyond me.
@loldude: Unfortunately, it’s not bullshit precedent. They ruled that a webpage is published when a computer accesses it. And okay, yeah, that *is* bullshit precedent, but not in the way you meant.
“The issue here is not Australia forcing laws onto America and the world. The issue here is that an American person came into Australia, broke the law in Australia and then his site is telling people that Australia is a stupid shitty country that should have American laws. = Not Australia imposing on America, but America imposing on Australia. I’m currently arguing that Australia has a right to be it’s own country and not be taken over by American laws and culture. This is freakin ridiculous!
How many times do I have to explain this over and over and over agian?!”
I don’t know, maybe the fact that you didn’t even bother to read the article at ALL has something to do with it?
“The issue here is that an American person came into Australia,”
Point out where it states the person who made this article was an American. Also, where it states that said person uploaded it while in Australia. As I have yet to see anything of the sort from you, I am forced to conclude your argument is invalid.
God, I love being ignored…
SHUT UP! As I said, remember who’s trolling, who’s serious, and who’s whatever. STOP MAKING ALL THE TROLL FOOD. GOD. DAMN.
Please keep one thing in mind:
ED did not visit Australia. Australia visited ED.
The people who were offended visited the site both willingly, and knowingly.
You don’t kick a nest of hornets and then whine about getting stung. You don’t walk into a church and whine that they keep talking about a different god than yours. And you don’t load up ED and whine that there are pages you find offensive.
What is happening here is akin to jumping in front of a car, and then trying to sue the driver for damages when you get hit.
I find a lot of articles on this site that piss me off, but that is what the site is all about. Its called Encyclopedia DRAMAtica for a reason, you know.
The guy obviously hasn’t been living in Australia because it says he can’t go back to Sydney to see his family (cousins, children, 2nd cousins or 5th degree separation twin). If the guy wasn’t from American then what’s all this rubbish about I apologise for my country, Australia imposing laws on the US. Australia is a shitty country of convicts imposing laws over the world, Australians should have American laws blah blah blah.
If the guy who uploaded the article came from Australia then people can just shut up completely about Australia imposing laws on the US…which is what is annoying me the most about this whole stupid website. People seemed to have the impression that the guy was an American guy getting charged for someone else posting a racist thing on his website. Wrong! Wrong! Wronnng! Stupid racist website people!
I argued, fine, so he’s an American, but he still broke Australian law IN Australia because it says that he uploaded the material in Australia. Either way, I don’t see how this applied to the US at all!
But finally at least someone else has actually decode to read the article. Congratulations!
It says he isn’t going to come back to Australia, whoever he is, thank goodness!
So, I would assume that he has a citizenship in order to be able to live some where else. Then again, the guy is a moron, so maybe he doesn’t?!
Putting down China in Australia, also stupid. There have definitely been more Chinese people living in Australia then Americans for over a hundred years. In fact, our PM speaks a Chinese language!
I don’t see it as something to get worked up about, however. Australian laws are both different from China and America because Australia isn’t China or America.
I believe that instead of closing down ED we should kill all Aboriginals so that they don’t get offended. I think the world has gained much more from ED than from some un-evolved, incest-breeding, inferior race of humen.
“I argued, fine, so he’s an American, but he still broke Australian law IN Australia because it says that he uploaded the material in Australia.”
Hahaha no. This is why you are wrong. Go back to the kitchen.
To everybody arguing for ED:
Maybe we should just give up our persuasive efforts. If the detractors were the types to be swayed by logic, HungryHippo’s post would have resolved the issues. If the detractors could actually read the comments instead of focusing on their own opinions, HungryHippo’s post would have told them that we have no such opinions of racial groups…
…No, screw that. We’re going to keep doing this shit and we’re going to love every minute of it, because people misunderstanding what we’re saying and calling us on it is fucking hilarious.
On a side note, NIGGER NIGGER NIGGER NIGGER DINGO FUCKING ABO NIGGER.
Also, not all Americans approve of their own government. I can’t fault people outside America for not knowing that Americans haven’t supported the war in Iraq for about 5 years, nor that every political news station in America is dedicated to blindly supporting/baselessly criticizing the Republican/Democratic parties. I can’t fault you for not knowing, but you should still know.
FYI:
“Section 18D of the Racial Discrimination Act provides for the following exemptions from the prohibition on racial hatred in s 18C:
18D Exemptions
Section 18C does not render unlawful anything said or done reasonably and in good faith:
(a) in the performance, exhibition or distribution of an artistic work”
(And several others, see source)
Source:
http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/other/HRLRes/2009/1/3.html#Heading654
From the link there is also case law:
“In Kelly-Country, Brown FM considered the application of the exemption in s 18D to the comedy performance of the non-Aboriginal respondent, in which he portrayed an apparently Aboriginal character ‘King Billy Cokebottle’ (see 3.4.4 above) and stated:
In the particular context of this case, I bear in mind that Mr Beers was appearing as the character of King Billy Cokebottle, who in many ways is a grotesque caricature. As such, the character has more licence than a politician or social commentator to express views. In the context of a stand-up comedy performance, the offence implicit in much of Mr Beers’ material does not appear to me to be out of proportion. I do not believe that there is a high degree of gratuitous insult, given that the comedic convention of stand-up is to give offence or make jokes at the expense of some member or members of the community. In this regard, the character does not use slang terms, which are likely to give particular offence to any particular ethnic or racial group. In my view, Mr Beers keeps his performance within the constraints and conventions of stand-up comedy and when viewed objectively, it is reasonable.[424]”
“French J in Bropho considered the coverage of the term ‘artistic work’ in s 18D(a). It was accepted in that case that a cartoon was an ‘artistic work’. His Honour noted that the Commissioner who had first heard the matter ‘appeared to accept… that the term did not require a distinction to be made between “real” and “pseudo” artistic works’[425] and went on to note that the term ‘does seem to be used broadly’.[426] His Honour further stated that ‘[i]t must be accepted that artistic works cover an infinite variety of expressions of human creativity’.[427]
In Kelly-Country, Brown FM had no doubt that a comedy performance fell within the term ‘artistic works’, noting that the explanatory memorandum makes specific reference to ‘comedy acts’.[428]”
_ _ _
Is ED art? Is it an expression of human creativity? Is its offensiveness reasonable for an online satirical encyclopaedia? Is it good faith comedy?
If so, your in the clear, and should write a letter back quoting the above authorities from their own Judgements.
There is also a “reasonable victim” test for 18C, with particular case law on “Aboriginal activists”:
Source:
http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/other/HRLRes/2009/1/3.html#Heading815
“In Kelly-Country v Beers[340] (‘Kelly-Country’), the applicant, an Aboriginal man, complained of vilification in relation to a comedy performance (see 3.4.4
above). The applicant described himself as an ‘activist’. Brown FM stated that:
it is possible that such an activist may search out material for the purpose of being offended and so may be regarded as being unduly susceptible or even an agent provocateur in respect of the material complained of… A mere slight or insult is insufficient. This is the so-called ‘reasonable victim’ test.[341]
His Honour also noted that in applying the ‘reasonable victim’ test it is necessary to be informed by community standards and consider the context in which the communication is made:
In applying the reasonable victim test, it is obviously necessary to apply a yardstick of reasonableness to the act complained of. This yardstick should not be a particularly susceptible person to be aroused or incited, but rather a reasonable and ordinary person and in addition should be a reasonable person with the racial, ethnic or relevant attributes of the complainant in the matter.
….
[A] joke about a historically oppressed minority group, which is told by a member of a racially dominant majority, may objectively be more likely to lead to offence. As a result, a joke told by an Aboriginal person about other Aboriginal people may not be so likely to transgress the provisions of the RDA, because the teller of the joke itself and its subject are not in a situation of power imbalance, but are each members of the same subset of disadvantaged people…[342]
His Honour concluded, however, on the evidence that the act complained of was not unlawful as ‘no reasonable Aboriginal person, who was not a political activist’ would have been insulted, humiliated or intimidated by it (see below 3.4.5(d)).”
_ _ _
Are they complainants not “Aboriginal activists” seeking out ED in order to be offended? Is the article (now) unsearchable from Google? Would a reasonable Aboriginal who was not an activist be offended by the satire?
@ Gondola66 That already happened it Tasmania. Entire languages, an Entire Ethnicity and an Entire culture was completely wiped thanks to racist creeps like yourself. You revolt me!
Aboriginal culture is not incest. Actually, people couldn’t traditionally marry someone based on the area the were born in according to the laws of some clans. Clans generally lived in their own areas. So, area of birth was an important way to control incest. The time when these traditionalist Aborigial people were forced to move to a city hospital (when having a baby) was actually messing with their culture. Aboriginal people aren’t unevolved. You ae unevolved and it’s reflected in your unevolved and sick sense of humour!
@ pickedaname. Teach the computer nerds who use this site the what the difference between UPLOADING and downloading is. I didn’t think the words were that complicated to understand, but the comments on this site have proved me wrong…^_^` Obviously the difference between the words are important because the make such a huge difference.
The issue here was people claiming Australia is enforcing laws on Americans. Not true. The other issue here is racism towards Australians and Aboriginal people. There is still very much and very seriously the racism in some parts of the world that Australians are stupid racist convicts. It’s not a joke!
In fact, Australians were taught to believe that in history class for so many years before history started being depicted a little more accurately:
We are a country of Native People, Convicts, Immigrants, Refugees, Asylum Seekers, International Students, Holidayers and more. We are a country of diversity and everyday I have the opportunity to speak to people from so many different countries. We are a country with a legal system that has the ideal of giving everyone a good chance to succeed in life, not based on ethnicity, sexual preference, religion or economic background. Australia isn’t perfect, but it isn’ a stupid, racist nation either. In fact, racism is illegal!
We are the people that created that ideal together~ I think it’s something to be very proud of! ^_^
I don’t know why the loosers on this website hate Australia so much. Maybe it’s because they’re satirical and critical thinkers tend to hate more things than positive thinkers. My friends from all around the world enjoy their time here. My friends say they like Australia “because the people are friendly, it’s easy to make friends, the scenery is very beautiful, it isn’t so busy…and…the parties…and occasionally…the food is cheaper and the Government isn’t corrupt O.O”. I think the tolerance of the locals allows many people to have a great time when they come here.
Also, the guy technically shouldn’t be Australian because in order to not come back to Australia he would need a different citizenship. If he is Australian then he fully deserves what is coming to him for understanding and purpously breaking the law and confusing everyone. I have less sympathy of him than if he came from a different country!
But, I will consider it vaid that he could be Ausralia and a moron…since what he’s already done is moronic…
“The issue here was people claiming Australia is enforcing laws on Americans. Not true.”
That perfectly explains the letter from the Australian Human Rights Commission, claiming that an Australian law is to be enforced on an American.
“The other issue here is racism towards Australians and Aboriginal people.”
Don’t forget against Blacks, Whites, Chinese, Latinos, Jews, Arabs, Russians, Japanese, etc. For you’ll find racism against every race/ethnicity on ED.
“Maybe it’s because they’re satirical and critical thinkers tend to hate more things than positive thinkers.”
…Perhaps you don’t realize what you’re actually saying here, but let me help. Critical thinking requires that you educate yourself on whatever the topic is, and judge it based on its merit. Positive thinking requires ignoring all the problems and being a blissful moron.
@Hypertension. I did read the article, kiddo. It did occur to me that he wasn’t American, but since everyone on his site seemed to be so adament that he was I thought someone must have known him personally to know his nationality. What I know now is that no one knows him personally and for all you know he could be a racist serial killer!
He could be the guy who thinks that Aboriginal people should be murdered!
He could be me.
He broke the law, what in your brain makes you think you can trust him?!
Using life stories is better than saying a whole lot of racist garbage in order to put the people down who complained about someone who committed a crime. As innocent citizens I believe the people who complained and myself as more trustworthy than the guy who broke the law. However, I would urge people to remember that this is the internet and is a great hangout for isolated and anti soial people to hangout and discuss things Anonomously that people around them wouldn’t agree with. I trust my friends whom I’ve met on Facebook because I know them personally before adding, they are healthy and stable and talk about positive things and I can see their picture and their real name. I would definitely not trust anyone from this website!
Critical thinking requires critical thinking. Positive thinking requires positive thinking. When I get off this site I still have so many great friends, a boyfriend who loves me, a family who loves me and am content with my Uni classes and life in general. When the people get off who stay in their rooms and don’t get out and are racist and hateful but have a high IQ, I feel sorry for them!
Go out there, learn about laws and culture and people, explore a variety of different coutries. You don’t need a racist and negative website in order to enjoy you life!
I know that most of the people from the countries that you’ve listed would be terribly offended to see racism directed at them!
Do not tell me that a Japanese person would want to give a hug to racism directed towards Japan on an American site…because I know personally that my boyfriend wouldn’t understand the humour even though he’s a very kind and patient human being that came from a city in Japan where Western Culture is apparently popular. He would be very upset!
I think racism becomes less funny when it’s directed at yourself!
“He broke the law”
No, he did not. What part of that did you not understand?
No, you don’t understand. He actually did break the law!
What he did is actually illegal in Australia and he was in Australia when he committed the crime. Therefore, yes, he broke the law!
You’ll probably get a talk on this when you get to year 12 which explains law and how it works in a clearer way!
The law that this guy broke was one of the ones that was focussed upon by the police officer…^_^`
It doesn’t sound nice to hear as a teenager, but life and perspective actually changes a lot after you finish high school. It’s healthy for the mind to have emotionally matured substantially by the time you’ve finished puberty. I don’t think you’ll be able to fully appreciate the viewpoint unless you go through this process; although, it’s still okay to have an opinion from the things that you do know so far and maybe you can express fresh perspectives from that different perspective of life!
All I’m saying is that I think you’ll find that you do change your opinions a little as you get older…^_^`
I think it sounds scary to change, but University is so much better than High School even though High School was good too!
I have complained to the Australian HRC, however they only accepted comlaints from Aboriginal Australians.
Concillation would then been the next step for ED, however that would be here in Australia where Joseph was advised to not visit by his lawyers.
They had no choice but to dimiss my complaint abou your site, Joseph.
It would be more correct have someone edit the to rewrite the article as “indiginous Australians”
Mr Evars, I stronglty ask you to contact the Australian HRC and ask for a “grant of leave” as you will not be able to attend any hearings against you and ED.
I’m almost stunned at how completely you miss the point.
“Critical thinking requires critical thinking. Positive thinking requires positive thinking.”
This statement says absolutely nothing, and makes me doubt your competence.
“When I get off this site I still have so many great friends, a boyfriend who loves me, a family who loves me and am content with my Uni classes and life in general. When the people get off who stay in their rooms and don’t get out and are racist and hateful but have a high IQ, I feel sorry for them!”
That’s wonderful for you. Although I am surprised that you assume everybody supporting ED is a shut-in and a sociopath, as that’s kind of a prejudiced viewpoint.
“Go out there, learn about laws and culture and people, explore a variety of different coutries. You don’t need a racist and negative website in order to enjoy you life!”
Continuing with my previous point, you assume we a) require the services of a “racist and negative website”, b) don’t know a thing about other countries and c) don’t enjoy our lives. Were this comment directed against purveyors of an actual racist website (see Stormfront et al.) I might sympathize.
“I know that most of the people from the countries that you’ve listed would be terribly offended to see racism directed at them!”
By this point in time I would be shocked if nobody from the countries I’ve listed have seen the articles on their respective ethnicities. Some of them were most likely offended for a while. Due to the overwhelming lack of threats from said countries, I can reasonably conclude that any offended people had enough perspective to know that words on the Internet are not that dire a catastrophe.
“Do not tell me that a Japanese person would want to give a hug to racism directed towards Japan on an American site…because I know personally that my boyfriend wouldn’t understand the humour even though he’s a very kind and patient human being that came from a city in Japan where Western Culture is apparently popular. He would be very upset!”
Wow. You know your boyfriend’s feelings, therefore you know what the Japanese feel. That sounds very much like “if you’ve seen one, you’ve seen them all”, which is a surprisingly racist attitude to hold coming from you.
“I think racism becomes less funny when it’s directed at yourself!”
Were it not for the fact that the most racist Black jokes I’ve heard came from a black guy, I might agree.
“No, you don’t understand. He actually did break the law!
What he did is actually illegal in Australia and he was in Australia when he committed the crime”
It would have been a crime were he in Australia. He wasn’t. Therefore, it isn’t a crime. End of story.
To summarize: You believe your experiences make your opinion correct and any dissenting voices must be inferior and childish. However, your assumptions are flawed and you refuse to change them when their flaws are pointed out. You would probably be better off living your life, instead of attempting to justify it to us with your life stories.
Firstly, learn the difference between uploading and downloading!
The guy was in Australia when he uploaded racist material onto this website!
I’m not going to re explain it because I’m sick of re explaining it.
Secondly, obviously there are people on this site that are racist to the point that it’s not just an awful stereotype, it’s hate too. Just read the comments above for starters!
Thirdly, I’ve travelled a lot and speak a few different languages vaguely okayish and Japanese is one of them. I’ve lived in a completely different culture and country too!
多い日本人の仲良しがいるんだよ.
いつもあなたの自分なことが欲しいから、いいんじゃないよ。感じが悪いわよ！
やばいかな～
I don’t think it’s at all racist that many people from the countries that this site has ridiculed would take offence to the racism if they saw it. Go to the Peace Park Museum in Hiroshima and learn why it’ not funny. An American girl that I know got into an argument with her Japanese Boyfriend after he got upset about her writing ‘Jap Homework’ on her computer without knowing it was a racist term. She used this an example when explaining to someone else that the word is offensive…she wouldn’t say something purposeless racist and neither would I. I love and respect my boyfriend and so I treat him as a person that I love and respect and not as a joke or ‘Jap’ or a Nationality. That’s very rude, it’s a form of bullying and it’s mean!
Fourthly, I’d question about how many people from the countries you’ve mentioned actually know about this site other than people living in America.
→I’d then acknowledge the fact that it seems to be moderated and that people who aren’t racist generally don’t look up racist terms and jokes that will help them find the site in the first place. I know I wouldn’t have known about this site if it wasn’t in the news…
It would make sense; however, if the people who complained were kids or the kids parents or teachers who’d discovered this site from when their kids that had accidentally stumbled upon it whilst researching Aboriginal History in Australia (and racism that had a huge impact in the history) as part of their SOSE assignment…because I remember that my class in high school found racist material like that in SOSE class when I studies that too. But, we didn’t complain like we should have. Congratulations to the brave people who decided to follow this up!
→Also, the views of the Australians who use this site aren’t socially accepted views, not normal in Australia. Some guy who apparently lives here reckons he hates all Australians, which IS weird and anti social for an Australian person. So, the people who are going to use the site from other countries aren’t going to be reflective of the huge number of people who disagree with the content!
→Obviously, a lot of people from Australia complained, otherwise there wouldn’t have been a problem with the guy getting charged for breaking the law here. There also couldn’t have been a threat if it the racist content was uploaded in the US. But, it was uploaded from Australia and it’s illegal here. So, maybe this is one of the few cases where a threat can actually be made!
Fifthly, I’ve heard a woman from Jamaica instruct her English class that she finds it racist for people to be called “Black”.
Sixthly, It would have been a crime were he in Australia. He was. Therefore, it is a crime End of story.
To summarize: You believe your experiences make your opinion correct and any dissenting voices must be inferior and childish. However, your assumptions are flawed and you refuse to change them when their flaws are pointed out. You would probably be better off living your life, instead of putting down the lives of others by trying to control their laws and bullying them with racist stereotypes.
@Australian
I believe that what started must be finished: all the remaining Aboriginals should be killed, so that this pestilence is removed from the Earth’s face.
@Australian
You seem to have fought my arguments about Abos being un-evolved and performing incest.
You didn’t argue about them being inferior: therefore you accept it:
therefore you are racist:
therefore you contradict yourself:
therefore we will not regard your sayings, cause you s*ck c*ocks
@Gondola66 I didn’t argue Aboriginal people as inferior or superior. I simply don’t believe Aboriginal people to be un evolved or performers of incest like yourself!
I don’t believe any race or country to be better than another in culture and policies over all. I believe each country and the people in those countries to have a unique way of operating that works there. I love my country because it’s my home, not because I think that the people are better or worse than the rest of the world!
I like to imagine myself complete with my family, my family of friends and a family of my own one day. It’s a celebration of a decade of racism completely eradicated from this country. I feel free and happy because I know that the people I love have the opportunity to work the jobs that make them happy, marry or be lovers to the people that make them happy, and go wherever they want without being a target of the current racist freakish minority that kill people and hurt people. All forms of racism have been eliminated from the media and from all tongues. I imagine that this time there isn’t a gathering of spiteful, hateful, fearful, excited, confused, curious, hurt, upset people gathering there. This time people are gathered there in respect and love of each other as human beings with hearts. For Forty seconds everyone in Australia will hold the hand of someone they love. They will say “sorry!”
It isn’t just about people from Aboriginal backgrounds, or Lebanese backgrounds, or Indian backgrounds, or Convict Backgrounds, or Irish Backgrounds, or American backgrounds, or Chinese backgrounds, or Japanese backgrounds ect. It’s an apology for every form of racism that has ever existed in Australia or before the people came to Australia to be released and to the chance to start fresh. I’m not sure whether it will happen in my time. But, I believe something like this is going to happen one day!
Very slowly the laws have been changing, people in Australia have become less tolerant of racism and I’m so happy that I can at least experience this in my time! ^_^
For a start, it isn’t considered socially acceptable or educationally acceptable or legally acceptable any more to be racist in Australia!
だから、めっちゃ嬉しいわ～
@Australian, you’re nor white aren’t you.
you still DONT get satire.
oh you want a place free from racism, crime and things that are part of reality that people like to ignore? Auschwitz, a colorful place full of unicorns and rainbows with people not being tolerant of racism where there are no people staving and being hated basted on gender, race, wages and ideology! Auschwitz is a utopia full of happy people.
“Firstly, learn the difference between uploading and downloading!
The guy was in Australia when he uploaded racist material onto this website!
I’m not going to re explain it because I’m sick of re explaining it.”
Unlike you, I never get sick of pointing out where you’re wrong. For example, right here.
You seem to believe that Evers was
a) the creator of the article
b) uploaded the article in Australia.
The problem with those arguments is that a) is wrong, and b) is necessarily wrong by virtue of a) being wrong. I have pored over the articles that reference the AHRC’s claim and none of them make any sort of claim of either a) or b). The history log of the Aboriginal article makes it crystal clear a) is wrong.
So unless you have some miracle proof of a) and b), then you should sit down at the table because your words are what’s for dinner. Eat up.
@Anon USA. Perhaps now there is no racism in Auschwitz. I don’t know. But, it isn’t in my mind to judge a place from another country that I’ve never been to before and isn’t trying to control other countries!
My Grandpa’s best friend was forced to go to war by the Government as a very young man. He never killed anyone during the war or in his life and said he was in constant fear that circumstances might lead to him accidentally killing a Child or Woman. He would have nightmares about it, even after the war ended. But, instead, during the war, he was captured and put into a Concentration Camp. A Bayonet was stabbed into his spine and he could never walk again. He survived off eating diseased rats and insects and all of the friends with him died. It was snowing and he suffered from frostbite and starvation. After the war had ended; although, there were things that could trigger the memory that he tried to avoid, he said that he didn’t have a problem with my Mum being friends with people from the country that had captured him. He said that life is different now and that people grow kinder to each other. This is a guy that had a bayonet shoved into his back. Isn’t it amazing that people who haven’t had an experience like that can decide whether an entire country of people are racist or not…that’s pretty racist in itself…
@australian, wow. you just passed through sarcasm and irony. you’re good very good and I must respect you for that. However I still stand by my opinions on the website. (you should too.)
@pickedaname
Your lame jokes aren’t funny!
I did actually read it, but I’m not sure if it was in the thread, the news article or the links, because I did a lot of reading. If it’s not there then it was edited out. There was actually two official documents explaining the circumstance of what’s happening in this case, not just the one posted in this thread, so search around for that, maybe?
After that, just skimming back over the document on this pag it says “an article from a website available on a server in the USA was held to have been published IN Australia”. I don’t know how he managed to get pemission to publish something in Australia that’s against Australia laws. But, if you published an illegal book or website in America then you would also be in trouble by that Government.
Yes, because clearly the internet is an Australian-owned product *rolleyes*
@Australian
They are the most inferior race in Earth today, as per several anthropologists, biologists and sociologists researches. You obviously haven’t read enough, or maybe you chose not to take them into consideration? It is scientifically proven that they HAVE NOT nor will the they BE ABLE TO ever EVOLVE into humen. (Not even sub-humen like black “people”). Do your homework then come teach us about “morality” and “racism”.
You still don’t understand that the only way to stop racism against Abos and stop Abos from being offended is a mass genocide of all Aboriginals and all of those who admire them.
Holy Shit, is “Australian” still harping on the HE CAEM TO AUZTRALYA bullshit?
I guess tts time to play the internet’s favorite game: Troll or Retard
Cast your votes, everyone
OMG! Why was the Aboriginals page changed in ED? I just noticed today, and I hope it is just for April Fool’s Day!
What world will we live where encyclopedic knowledge will be witch-hunted? It is the dark ages again! (with petrol-sniffing nigras too)
@Hyperion. Australia is not trying to take over the internet damn it!
It’s not that easy to have stuff published in Australia. He would have had to agree to some kind of document and be able to prove who he is and more to be able to publish it, including agreement to not violate certain laws. He broke the law. If he’d of published it in America only then Australians still would probably be able to view the page, but wouldn’t be able to complain to the point where the guy is legally in trouble. Australia isn’t trying to take over the American internet!
Otherwise Australians could complain about almost every page on the whole stupid site and the guy would be in trouble for every page…think about it.
@DavidDavidson. I was born in Australia, I did not CAEM there and I am a Woman, not a he, since you didn’t bother to read my posts. I’m not a retard like you are.
@Gondola66. You clearly aren’t evolved. That’s as much research as I need to know!
@Australian
No, you
@gondola66, lol April fools day (look back at history for the current revisions). It’s April 2nd now and it still hasn’t changed back
this is the revisions by the way: http://encyclopediadramatica.com/index.php?title=Aboriginal&action=history
@australian, It was clearly published by various users from around the world (ED also has a AU and not by Jevers.
@DavidDavidson. he wont understand it anyways.
Let me add another thing, Other minorities are culturally and scientifically better then AU aboriginals. (Polynesians made moai statues based on easter island)
“It’s not that easy to have stuff published in Australia. He would have had to agree to some kind of document and be able to prove who he is and more to be able to publish it, including agreement to not violate certain laws. He broke the law. If he’d of published it in America only then Australians still would probably be able to view the page, but wouldn’t be able to complain to the point where the guy is legally in trouble. Australia isn’t trying to take over the American internet!
Otherwise Australians could complain about almost every page on the whole stupid site and the guy would be in trouble for every page…think about it.”
Hahaha no. The notion that anybody “published” the article is an exercise in word-twisting. Like I’ve said before, the Australian government is attempting to use the precedent set by the Gutnick case (American website/server, article published in America, viewed in Australia) to punish.
“I guess tts time to play the internet’s favorite game: Troll or Retard”
I’m going for the latter.
@Gondola66:
That wasn’t supposed to look like a smiley face /(T . T)\
@pickedaname: Does it say on the form of complaint from the Australian Government- Pubished IN America…No!…it says: publised IN Australia. Of course, that couldn’t possibly mean that it was published in Australia. It’s all a lie and the Godforsaken Australian Government is suddenly conspiring against this perfectly innocent and Godly website share holder for perfectly no reason. Golly Gosh, how darn perfectly immoral of them~ (◎.*)?!
Pickedaname aka guy who I don’t even know: I’m not going to believe your word, defending a guy who you’ve probably never met against the word of my own Government. If you wish to provide a credible argument, then at least provide credible, recorded evidence of why the guy that you don’t know is completely innocent. Australian court is slightly different to US courts. In Australia you are considered guilty until proven innocent. In America you are considered innocent until proven guilty…so I’m naturally thinking guilty, guilty, guilty♪～
If he was so innocent then he would face the court and be proven innocent!←:)
A Retard should rightly be offeneded at even being compared to you…so, I’m just going to call you a troll : P
Весьма забавный ответ…
I’d apologize for that but it doesn’t make a lot of money. What we do at Encyclopedia Dramatica is […….
errrr…..Abos are still Homo Australopetekes…NOT Homo Sapiens Sapiens as the rest of the world….so, yes…Abos ARE lower on the evolution ladder than the rest of mankind….so what? Yet, that fact does not make them inferior nor superior, they never needed to evolve further….but I think its about time they learn to count further than just to one. As to racism…I already gave my two pence about that….racism exists because of thousands of generations of genetic conditioning……and a mere hundret years of socio-political dictate and mind-police oppression won’t nullify uncounted millenia of evolution…..(even though that is a different subject, same goes for sexism, feminism and the rightful place for women)
You keep harping about racism and law and stuff….Agism, discriminating against people of certain age groups, is as much discrimination as racism, so keep you tongue in check. At my school we started learning about laws and politics at 7th grade, age 13, and kids have according to field tests and psychological research a far greater sense of justice and law and politics than most adults…and children are never racist unless they learn to be racist from adults…
Ausschwitz happens to be the most known deathcamp of Nazi Germany, by far not the worst or biggest, but the most known. Hundrets of thousands of Jews, gay, disabled, democrats, komunists, Poles, artists, students, Chrsitians and other ‘undesirable elements’ have been first deported and encamped there and then killed. To no recognise the name’ Ausschwitz’ means that you are insufficiantly educated in world history, by choice ignorant of ANYTHING outside your own country (which amounts to nationalism/racism) or just simply a dimm witted imbecile….You may choose…
BTW…My grandfather died in a Concentration camp in Nazi Germany just because of the silly prank of being drunk on duty….he fell of the guard tower…*shrugs*
Last point, this page is NOT racist since it makes jokes about EVERY ethnicy and race and nation, undiscriminative, democraticly and unconditionally….EVERY race and nation has to suffer its satire…and not only races or nations but also cultures and sub-cultures….I got first off very pissed off when I read a text about the Gorean Lifestyle, but over the course of reading it, even I was able to laugh about it…..If you can’t laugh about yourself, do yourself and the world a favor and put yourself out of our missery…thanks!
Sincerely Yours…
@Australian: I don’t know where to start with you. You don’t appear to be responding to the arguments I put forward, and have not provided any “credible, recorded” evidence for your side. Hell, when I called you out on your lack of evidence you couldn’t produce anything. You should strongly consider going back to the kitchen.
Идея хорошая, поддерживаю….
I’m Joseph Evers. Very few of you know or care about me. I’m the largest shareholder of ED, and I guess that makes me the “owner”…..
@Australian:
Before I start: Sydfag here. So I guess I’m “Australian” too?
Onwards!
Oh please. After spending the last unknown amount of time reading your diatribe, I’m still not going to stoop to making comments such as “attention whore” or similar, I just don’t understand how telling everyone your life story (in minute detail) is lending credence to your opinion.
I’ll admit, I’m not overly informed of ALL the facts regarding this, but please provide links to something that PROVES that Hoverund:
1) is Australian or
2) was posting from an Australian IP whilst uploading such material to ED.
If an Australian, while abroad, uploads “hate” content to this site, by simple matter of residency and nationality, yes, can be prosecuted under Australian Law, and yes, an American citizen (or other nationality other than Australian, let’s not be _racist_ here) posts defamatory content while in our borders, they can also be held accountable under Australian law.
Following the general trend of “hurr amerikkkan”, we’ll assume for a minute that Hoverund is in fact, American (which I’m unsure of, but just using this as an example). If it was posted from within the United States, onto a server hosted in the United States, then he has not committed any crime within the location that it was performed. If an Australian resident views this, then that’s just tough shit to us. If it’s accessible to Australians, again, tough shit to us.
Hyperion’s comments were aimed squarely at that, and while you’ve consistently ignored this, he’s simply tried to reiterate his point time and time again. While having a laugh at him not having finished high school yet may have given you some form of vindication for the “I’m right, he’s wrong” theory, please keep in mind that were the shoe on the other foot (given your “high IQ”), you wouldn’t be so happy either. Oh, I guess this applies to the “racism” that people apply to other cultures too! *gasps and holds hands to mouth in shock*
It’s not everyone else’s responsibility to make sure they block other countries that might get offended by something. Let’s say I make a site about how much I hate Dutch people (untrue, for the record); it’s not my responsibility to then sift through global consensuses (consenses?) to pre-determine the distribution of people of Dutch heritage in each country, and then block said country from viewing my site. (although banhammering .nl would be quite effective in that manner). This defeats the purpose of the internet.
I may have missed whatever links provided (if any) for proof of anything, however I’ll admit I tl;dr’d towards the end, you seemed to be getting somewhat off-tangent with how your family loves you and works hard and you go to Uni. Guess what? Lots of Australians do this. Your point is moot.
If you’d like, I’ll take some time out at some stage to address all your points; I’m interested in a reasonable debate, which is how it should be! FACTS should be laid out, cases stated, and then informed, intellectual and mature debate should follow.
This is some pretty scary shit Evers, you don’t just have Australia to worry about either. Canada has similar laws prohibiting hate speech, I guess the Commonwealths in general are fucked up (I am unaware whether or not the UK has the same problems).
Good luck in fighting these allegations because this is unethical censorship of your opinions regarding native species.
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